filename HARD.MSG[MSG,LES] made by merge, sort, unique of [1,LES]hard.msg versions.
HARD item# 0001 next prev
PDheader:1975-09-25 13:09:00-07:00 bdefa6ea821a3634e4c40b36d2f0980a ∂25-SEP-75 1309 BPM,BPM Display Buy
Price info on Datamedia Elite 2500A, UDS 1200/150 baud modem, etc. is contained
in page 2 of TERMIN.RPT[PUN,BPM].
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PDheader:1975-10-30 16:39:00-08:00 5012ccb4946d902d92cd6e479abc6765 ∂30-OCT-75 1639 BPM,BPM Datamedias
To: TED, TAG, LES
Datamedia board exchange policy works like this. Air mail a bad board to them
and at the same time call them and tell them which board. They immediately
airmail a good board out. Then they fix or replace the bad board (at their
option) for $50. (All 6 boards cost the same.) SRI receives a good board
within 36 hours of the time they notify Datamedia of their need.
HARD item# 0003 next prev
PDheader:1975-12-05 11:03:00-08:00 26ef1f1e9a0215a16a1f59093087fb11 ∂05-DEC-75 1103 REG Ampex disk capacity
6.5*10↑9 bits 6.5*10↑9 bits, as formatted
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PDheader:1975-12-10 15:07:00-08:00 0fc33618cf8d694eeb0f3050eb1e3de3 ∂10-DEC-75 1507 LES Arm Controller Development
To: BES, TAG, TOB, VDS
CC: JMC, JBR, REG, TED
This is my understanding of the conclusions we reached in a
review of arm controller development needs this morning.
We need two copies of a new controller. It should be modular,
with (at least) 3 kinds of card, each separately interfaced to a
Unibus. This will permit the controller to run either under the
PDP-11/45 or an LSI-11 (not both at the same time). The cards that
we have identified are as follows.
MOTOR CONTROL (possibly 2 cards each) - 7 needed for each controller.
Accepts a digital command and mode (velocity or force servo) and
produces a motor control signal, based on speed and torque
sensors (the latter probably analog). It will not provide
position sensing except through digital commands.
POSITION SENSING - 7 needed. Accepts either analog pot signal or
optical encoder output and continually produces digital position.
This position, as seen on the bus, will be no more than
50 microseconds old.
MULTIPLEXED A/D - 1 per controller. Accepts multiplexed analog
signals from strain gauges, etc., and produces digital value
on the bus.
The next step is that Gafford will produce a fairly detailed specification
by January 15. Scheinman will examine the tradeoffs on optical encoders vs.
pots for the various joints and will make recommendations.
After review, the design and construction will be undertaken, with
projected completion by June. Who will do the construction is
currently an open question.
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PDheader:1975-12-11 08:37:00-08:00 feaafbc7ada2cb884c8562855d732e8f ∂11-DEC-75 0837 BES NEW ARM INTERFACE
In addition to the 7 position sensing cards, we will need
similiar modules to continuously read the arm tachometers.
These velocity readings are necessary when we are torque
servoing. When we use the hardware velocity servo, it would
be good if we could also read the commanded motor current.
However, this third feedback signal is optional and could
even be multiplexed to reduce the number of modules necessary.
HARD item# 0006 next prev
PDheader:1975-12-16 01:03:00-08:00 a8cf2941ed7d3663d7d11f4e054ded31 ∂16-DEC-75 0103 TAG at TTY10 0103 PDP-11 Disk Channel
PHIL PETIT MAKES A CHANNEL THAT LETS A PDP11 TALK TO AN IBM-STYLE
STORAGE CONTROLLER FOR LESS THAN $10K. THE ONLY DEVICE I CAN
GUARANTEE THE EXISTENCE OF IS AN INTERFACE DIRECTLY TO THE DISK SPINDLE,
WHICH IS NOT REALLY WHAT WE WANT IF WE WANT GENERAL PURPOSE ACCESS TO THE
DISK FROM THE CONSOLE MACHINE. THE ONLY OTHER 11 CHANNEL THAT I KNOW
OF IS SYSTEM CONCEPTS' SA11, WHICH COSTS GROSSLY TOO MUCH MONEY ($30K OR SO).
I'VE TALKED TO REG SINCE I PROPOSED THE DIRECT DISK INTERFACE TO YOU, AND HE
SAYS THE 11 SHOULD REALLY TALK TO THE CHANNEL. THE MICROCOMPUTER IN THE SPINDLE
INTERFACE THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT HAS PLENTY OF PROCESSING POWER TO HANDLE
IBM INTERFACE PROTOCOL, BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE DEVELOPMENT. THE COMPANY WHICH
MAKES THIS MICROCOMPUTER CONTROLLER
WOULD BE WILLING TO MAKE SAIL A VERY GOOD DEAL IN RETURN FOR USE OF
SAIL'S 11 AND STORAGE CONTROL TO DEVELOP THE PRODUCT, BUT IF YOU WANT
A PRODUCT WHICH ALREADY WORKS AND COSTS LESS THAN $10K, PMP'S DEVICE IS THE
ONLY ONE AROUND.
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PDheader:1976-01-29 12:08:00-08:00 9647dfea720556845931ec6cee1f4522 ∂29-JAN-76 1208 LES IMLAC & air conditioning
To: TED
CC: JMC, REG, TAG, HVA
The Dendral IMLAC is now ours. It is located in a temporary building
back of Serra House and suffers from a flakey memory. To pick it up,
contact one of the following at ext. 74878: Bill White, Bob Engelmore,
or Ray Carhart.
As you know, Plant Services is concerned about the additional heat load
of the KL10 and are asserting that we need more air conditioning
capacity. Of course, they were not competent to engineer the initial
installation and I have seen nothing recently that gives me greater
faith in their judgement. I propose that we undertake a small study
and perhaps seek outside consultation.
I suggest that you or someone add up the expected heat dissipation
of the system and compare it with the sum of the green monsters'
capacity and the "normal" heat load of the computer room. To
estimate the latter, consider the fact that the computer room was
originally intended to be an auditorium. Estimate the seating
capacity and multipy by 100 watts/person.
If we actually do need more capacity, I think that we can argue
that it is available from the central air conditioning system, since
it is not being called upon to cool the entire building, as originally
designed (i.e. the full circle). In any case, we need to know what
the expected load is.
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PDheader:1976-01-29 12:47:00-08:00 fd1c293b1760609b0b1e41a97a9d6932 ∂29-JAN-76 1247 JMC
To: LES, TED, REG, HVA
I suggest that we simply stall until the KL-10 is installed and
see how hot the room gets and extrapolate to summer conditions.
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PDheader:1976-02-24 15:03:00-08:00 23db36d03e00ba1841f903259904c3af ∂24-FEB-76 1503 REG KL10, PDP-6
Jim Stafford called you, but talked to me.
1. He's waiting for Dick Devlin in Marlboro to send him a TWX stating a
delivery date for the KL10. Stafford called Devlin who said that he'll
send the TWX tomorrow.
2. Devlin wants a letter from you stating that DEC wil never hear about
the Stanford PDP-6 again. Send this letter to Stafford.
HARD item# 0010 next prev
PDheader:1976-09-07 15:04:00-07:00 96cb29c00fd12a9590690ba586f8edd6 ∂07-SEP-76 1504 BPM
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PDheader:1976-09-07 15:04:01-07:00 6acd8f3bf833db37f093bc46c83fbc75 ∂07-SEP-76 1504 BPM UDS modems
Here is what we have to ask permission to buy:
Modem Purchase Order Information (second order)
To:
Mr. Ken Larsen
Inter-Link Systems
10601 South Sunnyvale-Saratoga Road, Suite 212
Cupertino, California 95014
Copy to:
Universal Data Systems
2611 Leeman Ferry Road
Huntsville, Alabama 35805
UDS Stanford 1200/150 auto-answer modem (must conform
to attached "UDS-202C Data Modem Specifications", with
the following exceptions: updated as per changes
discussed by Al Wegeman of UDS and Tom Gafford of
Stanford; sized to mount in UDS RM-16 multiple modem
rack; must be compatible with Bell CBS Data Access
Arrangement; must be compatible with Prentice P
1200/150 originate-only modem; when talking to either
Prentice P 1200/150 originate-only modem or UDS
Stanford 1200/150 originate-only modem, error rate must
not exceed that of two Prentice P 1200/150 modems in
equivalent situation)
automatic answer-only PC card $ 275
----- -----
TOTAL per unit $ 275
x 2 units
---------- ----------
TOTAL $ 550
All equipment above shall operate as specified within a temperature
range of +55 degrees to +100 degrees F. UDS shall supply three sets
of documentation on all items listed above sufficient for maintenance
and interfacing with other devices (e.g., a display terminal).
HARD item# 0012 next prev
PDheader:1976-11-19 04:49:00-08:00 dcb07961d0aaf4119466b31bab59e77a ∂19-Nov-76 0449 LES Random errors
To: TED, JBR
I have been getting quite a number of unrepeatable errors this evening,
both ILL MEM REFs and "PC exceeds mem bounds". E.g. one Pub run took
four tries before it completed successfully.
HARD item# 0013 next prev
PDheader:1976-12-01 23:06:00-08:00 4e235e8596e4a26ea6d7f460aa659d23 ∂01-Dec-76 2306 DPB
To: DM.DIS[1,DPB]:;
There is some confusion about our new DataMedia terminals,
modems, pc boards, etc. The following table summarizes what
I know/believe:
NO. Purchaser Notes
1 MYCIN Will be wired to SUMEX. No modem.
1 AI-Lab Modem ordered. LES Earnest will install
modem.
8 CSD Modems ordered. Nick Veizades will
install modems.
2 MOLGEN Terminals, modems have arrived. Nick
is installing or has installed.
2 Feigenbaum Terminals are now running, connected
to DSL's PDP-11. Carolyn Taynai has
ordered modems. Nick will install.
1 Feigenbaum Terminal not yet ordered. Purchase
order for terminal and modem is
in process. (Carolyn Taynai and
Betty Scott.) Will need installation
by Nick.
Please contact Denny Brown (dpb@sail or dbrown@sumex) if there
are any problems in the above summary.
-Denny
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PDheader:1976-12-21 18:30:00-08:00 87483f876107c7e15918fdb850f27c5c ∂21-Dec-76 1830 BPM Using Datamedias via AMES-TIP
To: DM.DIS[PSI,BPM]:;
The procedure to follow is given in DM.ME[UP,DOC]. Other information about
DM hardware and software is there also. You should also do HELP DMKEY to get
a crib sheet for your keyboard if you haven't already.
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PDheader:1977-01-06 15:39:00-08:00 b0441cbb37a6bdb2ea0e6ca1afe33c97 ∂06-Jan-77 1539 LES Home phone lines
To: DRB, TOB, JJ, CCG, EK, DCL, BPM, DCO, JP, ALS
CC: JMC, HVA
Because of recent telephone tariff changes and the resultant costly
charges for connect time on business lines, we have told the telephone
company to disconnect all the business lines in peoples homes (including
yours). Disconnect should happen within about 10 days.
Assuming that you wish to continue using a home terminal, you may either
use your regular home phone or have another personal line installed. If
you use your regular home phone, the lab will cover half the cost of 60
unit service. If you have an additional line reconnected, the lab will
cover the cost of installation and the full 60 unit service. Any
additional charges other than toll charges for lab business will be your
own. In either case, it will be necessary to bring the phone bills in to
be reimbursed out of petty cash.
Since the legality of this move may be open to question, please try to
avoid provoking Ma Bell. In particular, before the telephone remover or
installer appears, please disconnect the computer terminal and any jacks
that have been installed. It might be better still to put the terminal
somewhere else temporarily. Since you can now order a new phone with a
jack at no additional cost, I suggest that you request it that way since
it makes the terminal connection easier.
I regret having to complicate your life this way, but the current policies
on business lines are discriminatory and we can't afford them. The
question of whether or not these lines should in fact be business lines
is arguable (e.g. is a graduate student doing research in business?),
but I would rather avoid the argument if possible.
Les
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PDheader:1977-01-17 12:56:00-08:00 67aaa9cf53469be6e12a9e51331f4f9e ∂17-Jan-77 1256 DPB
To: DM.DIS[1,DPB]:;
Ten DataMedias have arrived. They are
now in the Polya storage room. Modems have not arrived.
Latest inquiry says 1-2 weeks. The ten terminals are allocated:
8 to CSD, 1 to Randy Davis, 1 to Les Earnest.
-Denny
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PDheader:1977-01-18 04:01:00-08:00 63402407de05b217cf906085c7bdc0eb ∂18-Jan-77 0401 BH via SUMX INTECOLOR 8001 TERMINALS
To: TTY.DIS[1,BH]:;
I HAVE BEEN RESEARCHING THESE TERMINALS AS A POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE
TO DATAMEDIAS FOR IRCAM, AND THEY MAY ALSO BE OF INTEREST FOR ANY
FUTURE SAIL HOME TERMINAL PURCHASES. THEY OFFER ESSENTIALLY THE
SAME FEATURES AS DATAMEDIAS FOR ESSENTIALLY THE SAME PRICE, BUT
WITH COLOR DISPLAY AND 48 TEXT LINES. THEY WILL SUPPORT THE FULL
SAIL CHARACTER SET. ALSO, FOR ABOUT $500 MORE, THEY WILL PROVIDE
GRAPHICS (160 X 192 DOTS) AND A LIGHT PEN. ANOTHER $1000 WILL
BUY YOU 256 DIFFERENT CHARACTERS, GOOD FOR APL FOR INSTANCE.
THE MAIN THING IS THAT SINCE THEY ARE BASED ON THE 8080
MICROPROCESSOR, IT IS IN PRINCIPLE POSSIBLE TO HAVE THEM USE A
GENUINE MICROSWITCH SAIL KEYBOARD AND GENERATE THE TWO-BYTE
DATAMEDIA SEQUENCES FOR META AND SO ON.
I AM PRESENTLY CORRESPONDING WITH MR. CHARLES MUENCH AT
INTELLIGENT SYSTEMS CORP (4376 RIDGEGATE DR, DULUTH, GA 30136)
ABOUT THE HAIRY KEYBOARD REQUIREMENTS AND AM AWAITING A PRECISE
PRICE QUOTATION. IF ANY OF YOU ARE INTERESTED YOU CAN GET IN
TOUCH WITH HIM TOO. (BY THE WAY, FEEL FREE TO ADD NAMES OR
REMOVE YOUR OWN TO/FROM TTY.DIS[1,BH] IF YOU ARE OR AREN'T
INTERESTED IN THIS.) FOR OUR OWN PURPOSES, IF ANY OF YOU
HAS ACCESS TO THE BIT DEFINITIONS FOR THE DATA DISC VERSION
OF THE SAIL CHAR SET, I'D APPRECIATE A LISTING THEREOF. TNX.
HARD item# 0018 next prev
PDheader:1977-02-09 04:41:00-08:00 9aed036a41324925404de5f9f3abcdc4 ∂09-Feb-77 0441 BH via SUMX MICROSWITCH KEYBOARDS
PMF SAYS THAT YOU SAID THAT THERE IS SOME DIFFICULTY ABOUT
GETTING SAIL KEYBOARDS FROM MICROSWITCH. COULD YOU ELABORATE?
ALSO, DO YOU HAVE A NAME OF SOMEBODY TO CONTACT AT MICROSWITCH?
THE LATEST WORD FROM INTECOLOR IS THAT THEY THINK IT'D BE EASY
TO REPROGRAM THEM TO USE THE SAIL KBD BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO DO
IT THEMSELVES, SO WE MAY USE ONCE AGAIN THE TECHNIQUE OF
STEALING MANPOWER FROM STANFORD. (DPYSER, BY THE WAY, IS
MOVING RIGHT ALONG... IT ALMOST ASSEMBLES, AND WE ARE PREDICTING
A TRIAL RUN THIS WEEKEND. IT WON'T WORK, OF COURSE.)
HARD item# 0019 next prev
PDheader:1977-03-05 13:11:00-08:00 f3c4d1ff9adbaec9237d1a901d8d8def ∂05-Mar-77 1311 LES Librascope Auction Results
To: DBA
$151 to David Shaw, $150 to Geoff Goodfellow (SRI), $130 to Vic Scheinman,
and $129 to L. Earnest. They are all fools who lose control at auctions.
Les
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PDheader:1977-03-11 12:33:00-08:00 5f0cecad79662e3de6c5ae8838cacaf3 ∂11-Mar-77 1233 DPB dm's
Les, We now have 6 dm's with modems installed. None work exactly right
yet. Dale Pearson at SUMEX is having some trouble with the SAIL mods.
Four of the six are almost right, and in fact have a disjoint set
of problems. We should have things ironed out on Monday (I hope.)
HARD item# 0021 next prev
PDheader:1977-05-19 22:30:00-07:00 b8c2375d6887d47d55c6062a7f4d6811 ∂19-May-77 2230 100 : TODD GLASSEY CLOCK
HELLO CLOCK IDEAS TO FOLLOW
1 WWVB RESET EVERY 5 TO 10 MIN.
2 DEVICE GETS TIED TO THE KL10'S I/O BUS
3 DEVICE GETS A 6(SIX) DIGIT LED DISPLAY (HH:MM:SS)
3 DUAL POWER SUPPLIES FOR POWEROUTS (BATTERISE ARE TRICKLED CHARGED)
5 BEST OF ALL DEVICE GETS BUILT ON A FLEXABLE PC BOARD (THESE ARE CHEAP AND
RELIEABLE AND THE LAYOUT CAN BE DONE ON THE XGP WHICH MAKES IT EVEN CHEAPER)
6 FULL DOCUMENTATION INCLUDING SCHEMATICS WILL BE DRAWN UP
MOST OF THE SCHEMATICS ARE ALREADY DRAWN UP , SO ILL TRY TO DROP BY AND SEE WHATYOU THINK SOMETIME NEXT WEEK. THE REASON FOR THE FLAλEXABLE PC BOARD IS SO YOU CAN MAKE THE WHOLE THING LOOK LIKE A WRIST WATCH WITH 3 OR SO WIRES AND A PIECE OF RIBBON CABLE HANGING OFF OF IT.
TODD
Clock
In response to your message of 19 May:
1. I see no point in displaying the time-- no one is going to look at it.
2. Hours, minutes, and seconds are not enough. We have to know the date
and fractions of a second (on the order of a millisecond).
3. Given that this device will survive power failures, there seems to be
little point in the WWVB tie-in. It would be much simple to have an ordinary
binary counter driven by a crystal oscillator. Conversion to date, hours, etc.,
would all be in system software. The only control function would be a RESET,
which sets the clock to 0. This should be a contact that gets grounded.
4. Since this is to be a one-of-a-kind device, it would be silly to put
it on a PC card. Wire wrap is clearly the right thing.
5. Please review the design with TED before proceeding.
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PDheader:1977-05-20 12:21:00-07:00 008e071ddeda9f48416873201a70413c ∂20-May-77 1221 TOB head-per-track discs
Les
I talked with the Sales Manager of Amcomp. The price
for a 38 Mbit disk is $10k. The price for a PDP-11
interface and controller is $4.5k. He said that he is
interested in the PDP-10 market and would be interested
in a short description of the hardware to which it
would be interfaced.
Tom
HARD item# 0023 next prev
PDheader:1977-05-27 14:13:00-07:00 3ee555f76fd4a1fe3864fab02ca36d13 ∂27-May-77 1413 PAM Cheapy Terminals
I found out recently from the folks at LOTS that they are looking at a new terminal
by Elmer Perkins called the Fox 1100. It has a microprocessor in it, displays 24
lines of 80 characters, each 9x12 bits, and claims to have full cursor control.
It cost $925 in qualities of 25, and looks to me like it might be made to look like
a Data Media, thus avoiding the need to program the system and ETV to deal with
yet another terminal type. If you can forsee the possibility of the Lab buying
any of these turkeys, let me know. I'd be interested in investigating the effort
necessary to make them look like DMs, and perhaps doing the programming in the
terminal to make it compatible. My ulterior motive is that I'd like to have a home
terminal that can run E, and I think DMs are overpriced.
Let me know; the basic question is whether the lab has a chance to buy any
terminals; if so, we could presumably get 2 1/2 times as many for the same bucks.
Paul
$
HARD item# 0024 next prev
PDheader:1977-05-27 15:56:00-07:00 d8550f1a0204a9ebd12a4646d9fbe315 ∂27-May-77 1556 LES MGW -- U.S.ROBOTICS ANSWERING MODEMS FOR $105 EACH !!
Date: 2 MAY 1977 1538-EDT
From: MITCHELL WOLRICH ( MGW@MIT-AI)
Sent-by: MGW at MIT-ML
Subject: CHEAP MODEMS!!!
To: PBARAN at USC-ISI, REM at MIT-MC
THIS IS TO INFORM ANYONE WHO MAY BE UNAWARE OF THE FACT THAT THIS MONTH
AN INEXPENSIVE AUTO-ANSWER MODEM WAS INTRODUCED. THE MODEM CAN RUN AT
SPEED FROM 0-600 BAUD. IT IS EQUIPED WITH AN RS-232 AND A 20MA TTY
INTERFACE. IT IS ALMOST COMPLETLY COMPUTER CONTROLLED (I.E. THERE
ARE ONLY THREE CONTROLS ON IT, (1) POWER ON/OFF (2) ANSWER/ORIGINATE AND
(3) A CARRIER DETECT LED.
IT IS PRICED AT $105.00 AND IS AVAILABLE FOR IMMEDIATE DELIVERY.
A 1-YEAR SERVICE CONTRACT (FOR THE NON-HARDWARE HACK) IS AVAILABLE FOR
$25. THE ADDRESS OF THE MANUFACTURE IS LISTED BELOW:
U.S. ROBOTICS
P.O. BOX 5502
CHICAGO, ILLINOIS 60680
(312) 528-9045
YOU CAN ALSO WRITE TO ME AND I WILL TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE
MY NET ADDRES IS: MGW@MIT-AI
OR AT HOME: MITCHELL WOLRICH
8 BRUCE CIRCLE
RANDOLPH, MA 02368
OR SEE THE ADD ON PAGE 159, APRILL 1977 BYTE MAGAZINE.
∨
HARD item# 0025 next prev
PDheader:1977-05-28 19:02:00-07:00 87f89368642316e9b6219e1e40e92919 ∂28-May-77 1902 BPM Jarvis terminal
To: PMF
CC: LES
Pentti Kanerva is interested in final specs for it. IMSSS may want to
go in with SAIL and CSD to produce a bunch of them. You should call
him and discuss this.
HARD item# 0026 next prev
PDheader:1977-06-02 14:19:00-07:00 b9951c43a126a359456d7678fbd4130b ∂02-Jun-77 1419 LES Computer clock
To: tk at MIT-AI
CC: TED
Rumor has it that your machine has a clock that servos on power line
frequency but keeps on ticking through power failures, floods, and tidal waves.
Since we would like to build one with similar properties, it would be nice
to have a look at any relevent documentation that you have. Is there some?
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PDheader:1977-06-02 15:36:00-07:00 c79d0a0c05199c87ff9ace06366515ba ∂02-Jun-77 1536 FTP:TK at MIT-AI (Tom Knight ) Computer clock
Date: 2 JUN 1977 1835-EDT
From: TK at MIT-AI (Tom Knight )
Subject: Computer clock
To: LES at SU-AI
CC: TED at MIT-AI
Well, Les, that's a good rumor, but unfortunately not true. You see, it gets
wet during the tidal waves. Actually, all we have is a 36 bit counter driven
from an independant power supply which never gets turned off, even if computer
power does, but it is certainly not immune to power failure. We keep the
offset between real time and 36 bit time on the disk, and that number gets
checked for "reasonableness" when the system is brought up. The result is that
we have to reset the offset when we have power failures, but that is no great
burden, at least in Cambridge. These days, of course, a CMOS counter
with battery backup is obviously the right thing to build, with a quartz crystal
driving it. Likely that is better than line frequency. If you wanted to be hairy,
I suppose we could receive the 60 khz WWVA phase modulated time signals....
HARD item# 0028 next prev
PDheader:1977-06-16 22:32:00-07:00 0d954e2cfbdd4f1d97ef678e47dc0166 ∂16-Jun-77 2232 HPM Heathkit TV repairs
To: TED, LES
It would be easiest for me to proceed at my dizzying pace if the
following replacement parts, most of which the set will not need,
were bought.
Description Heathkit part # 1970 price
zener diode 56-79 1.60 known bad
(special HV)
vertical transf. 51-158 4.40
transistor 417-233 .50
2N3643
transistor 417-126 .45
2N3565
transistor 417-234 .60
2N3638A
transistor 417-239 5.00
MJ3029
_____
12.55
since being awake at the right time and driving are my weakest skills,
I would appreciate if somebody else were delegated to do it.
Unused parts will be incorporated into the cart's electronics.
HARD item# 0029 next prev
PDheader:1977-06-28 20:48:00-07:00 d4bbedc9bb9d34d3fb63e3c40bf1ff30 ∂28-Jun-77 2048 FTP:PEPIN at USC-ECL KL 10
Date: 28 JUN 1977 2048-PDT
From: PEPIN at USC-ECL
Subject: KL 10
To: les at SU-AI
Tom ellis at isi told me to send you a note asking
about the speed yove seen out of your kl 10 vrs the
ka. Here in engineering at usc we are getting a kl to replace
a ki ten. We have talked with ellis some and he says
you have seen some disturbing speed stats for the kl vers your
old ka. Can you give me some ideas as to what he was refering
to.
jim pepin
mgr ecl
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PDheader:1977-06-29 18:20:00-07:00 994cd7cdabf050a091d83b6efa00c1bb ∂29-Jun-77 1820 LES KL10 vs. KA10
To: Pepin at USC-ECL
CC: Ellis at USC-ISI
In terms of CPU time for user programs, the KL10 is about 5 times as fast
as the KA10 (up to 10 times as fast for programs that use a lot of byte
operations). Our total thoughput is not up that much because we became
heavily disk bound, having lost our swapping store at about the time the
KL10 arrived.
We have ordered a second channel and disk controller so as to double
the disk transfer capacity and balance the system. It should be going
by late summer.
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PDheader:1977-06-30 10:57:00-07:00 63f7b1a595bb45b44fe23fc92a719b2c ∂30-Jun-77 1057 MJL terminals
hi Les, we are taking an inventory of DataMedia terminals recently
purchased. Would you plz send me the serial #'s on the DataMedia's
and their keyboards that Denny recently sent up to you? The terminals
and the keyboards each have their own serial #. Thanks alot - this
will be a big help. Moira
HARD item# 0032 next prev
PDheader:1977-06-30 12:21:00-07:00 d8e487461578f34c634ab9a6efd02b29 ∂30-Jun-77 1221 LES
To: HVA
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PDheader:1977-07-15 15:19:00-07:00 d123df28f8243f5c1d7aa64c9bc4e5b7 ∂15-Jul-77 1519 FTP:REM at MIT-AI (Robert Elton Maas) Holofile
Date: 15 JUL 1977 1817-EDT
From: REM at MIT-AI (Robert Elton Maas)
To: LES at SU-AI, JMC at SU-AI, TVR at SU-AI, PBARAN at USC-ISI
CC: REM at SU-AI
.MAIL LES,JMC,PBARAN%ISI,TVR
Subject: Holofile
Type message followed by <CONTROL>Z
I have written to Holofile Industries Ltd., distributor for
the TRW holographic 4" by 6" 200-megabit storage medium, and received
a prompt reply saying that there is no more printed material available
at this time but answering most of my questions.
The basic reader, described in the advertising brochure, costs
$5000 (not $500 as in the brochure). There is no comment on that, so
I don't know whether the brochure or the letter has a typographic error,
although surely one or the other must. If the cost is $5000, it is
too expensive for hobbyists, but reasonable for SU-AI or IMSSS to
replace one disk drive or whatever 200 megabits amounts to.
The writer is about $250,000 but the company will offer the
service of converting magtape to holofile for a very low charge,
available in key cities. [SU-AI MAIL PROGRAM CRASHED HERE, REMAILING FROM MIT-AI]
Delivery expected first half of 1978.
Anyone wishing to read full text of the letter, from James A. Case,
Vice President (of course, like most companies, probably at least 10
v.p.'s, maybe) should contact me (REM).
Major application I envision is storage of system software and
other files that aren't actively being changed but which are being
used (read) online. All files older than a certain date, or 200
megabits thereof, could be copied to magtape and written on holofile,
with extra copies at $.07 each appx., then disk service could be modified to
point from directory to places on this device, and after verification
of correct data the disk version could be purged. Whenever the file
gets edited or otherwise rewritten, the pointer to the holofile could
be scrapped and a copy made on the disk. Of course a study for cost-effectiveness
would have to be done first.
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PDheader:1977-07-26 17:07:00-07:00 34a3719bbafada8daa597d2b9e122bb0 ∂26-Jul-77 1707 JBR Ampex CU
Lacks "Theory of Operation" and "Maintenance Drawings".
The main problem we have been having is parity errors in the microstore.
The CU reports check 1 errors of the form "early 10".
HARD item# 0035 next prev
PDheader:1977-10-14 00:11:00-07:00 bf5078629932aa1812307d9f9e0162cc ∂14-Oct-77 0011 JMC Display system
To: LLW, LCW, TM
CC: JBR, LES
I have heard that both Intel and Zilog will be coming out early next year
with PDP-11 speed, 16 bit word, micro-processors with 32 bit addresses.
Making the display system with a PDP-11 was always a big strain, because
with a 512 by 512 array, there was only 12K words left for programs and
fonts, etc. without going to secondary storage. The new micro-processors
will make possible much more flexible display systems. Therefore, I think
we should wait for it, but if you have any sources of accurate advance
information, it would be very useful.
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PDheader:1977-11-07 19:56:00-08:00 06c8b912b726e179cb4947ebe6ff5450 ∂07-Nov-77 1956 BPM DM for Lab
To: LES
CC: TED
Ted and I both think it would be a good idea to get a DM to keep at the
Lab. Below are some ways in which it would be used.
Normally it would be connected to the TIP for TIP testing, providing
another terminal for SAIL users, and providing ARPAnet access when SAIL is
heavily loaded or down completely. The Model 33 TTY currently connected
to the TIP, besides being slow and cretinous, seems to have a new problem
every week (e.g., CONTROL key sticks, input characters garbaged, leaking
oil, etc.).
Ted and Don Coates could also use the DM to test out broken boards,
modems, etc. that people bring in. This would save people having to take
different spare boards home to find out which one is really losing or,
alternatively, bring in their entire terminal to be diagnosed. We could
also dial up the various split-speed lines to test them out locally.
Marty and others could use the DM for debugging new or changed system code
or programs such as WHO, E, and DMDRD which know about DMs. Right now,
only people with DMs somewhere away from the Lab can debug DM-specific
software. The lack of a DM at SAIL also inhibits other people from
playing with DMs and dreaming up new hacks.
Finally, the larger characters of DMs make them more useful than DDs as a
videotaping source. To videotape a recent demo for Bill Carlson, Lou
Steinberg had to take the videotape recorder home. (Alternatively, he
could have dragged his DM up to SAIL.) Having a DM at SAIL would save a
lot of shuffling.
I'm sure that other uses will become evident once we get one.
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PDheader:1977-11-09 11:48:00-08:00 878d3149f3e813b4eeca9a901398006b ∂09-Nov-77 1148 JP MicroSwitch keyboards
To: LES, TED
Since MIT's keyboards are so similar to ours I thought you might be
interested (replace,add,etc new keyboards at SAIL)
KEY BOARDS:
BAKER@MIT-AI 11/05/77 13:24:41 Re: Group order for Microswitch keyboards
--More--
I am thinking of placing an order to Microswitch (the Mercedes of
keyboard manufacturers) for a batch of MIT AI-style keyboards within
the next month. There are two options being considered: the exact
replica of the AI keyboard, and a smarter version (with an Intel 8048
single chip microcomputer inside) with exactly the same key
arrangement, keytops, etc., but which tells the computer not only when
a key goes down, but also when it comes up. Details are in
AI:BAKER;SMART KB.
The price of the AI replica will be approximately $200, while its
smarter brother might be as much as $50 more. The delivery time on
these keyboards is approximately 12 weeks, so you probably won't
see your keyboards until March. If we place this order, a large
deposit will be required, on the order of $100/kb.
Please let me know if you are interested, and how many.
Henry Baker (BAKER@MIT-AI)
P.S. Those of you on foreign hosts, please pass this message on.
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PDheader:1977-11-11 07:41:00-08:00 1ae3f89c2d756ca9d3bba291742586d3 ∂11-Nov-77 0741 JRA gasp!!!!
did you realize that there is a significant distortion
in the XGP output. eg a basl30 line which measures 29 pica-4 points
counts out at 30 pica -2 points when you use the character widths
and col-inc output from PUB?? (or am I mis-interpreting the
chr width info. in the font files??) if it is xgp distortion
please don't change it yet, but it might influence other
publishing enterprises around here.
john
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PDheader:1977-11-23 14:10:00-08:00 9bff99404a76b4d306cdc48ab87de43f ∂23-Nov-77 1410 LES C1 payoff
To: DWP
CC: JBR, TED
Here is a slightly revised version of your letter. It changes your date
arithmetic, reduces the penaly accordingly and adds a list of deficiencies
that are to be corrected.
--------------------------
Foonly, Inc.
22 Nov. 1977
Les Earnest
Stanford Artifical Intelligence Project
PENALTIES AND PAYMENT FOR C1 CHANNEL
We propose that the penalty for late delivery of hardware ($100/day)
should apply to those periods when Stanford's utilization of the C1 was
delayed by non-delivery.
The contractual delivery date was 31 July (90 days from 2 May). The C1
was made available to Jeff Rubin for system debugging on 6 Aug. Only one
channel was working, but this occasioned no inconvenience because there
was no intent or provision to connect the second channel to a controller
at this time. The second channel was available before it was needed.
After Stanford began to use the C1, several bugs were found, resulting in
some additional delay to Stanford. We estimate this delay as three more
days, including lost system debugging time and system down time.
Documentation was due within two weeks after the equipment due date, i.e.
by August 14. This was actually completed on 22 Nov., or 99 days late.
Therefore we propose that Stanford's total payment to Foonly, Inc. be
20000-(6+3)*100-99*25 = $16,625.00.
I acknowledge the following minor deficiencies, which will be corrected
within the next two weeks.
1. Rear door is missing.
2. Strain relief and routing on flat cable to channel will be improved.
3. Third connector to IBM will be installed.
4. Light panel vector board will be replaced with something more
substantial.
If you concur with this analysis, please consider this letter to be our
invoice for this amount.
Sincerely,
David W. Poole, for Foonly, Inc.
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PDheader:1977-12-01 19:36:00-08:00 fdeb25832f9413e705bbff331f424cd9 ∂01-Dec-77 1936 SGK
Borrowed portable VTR for the evening.
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PDheader:1977-12-03 21:35:00-08:00 1e78be4eaa581fe73771c9a5ddb20153 ∂03-Dec-77 2135 HPM Tape drives and dumps
Restoring a file for DEK revealed that tape T29 is almost unreadable on
either drive, containing many dozen bad block all through its length. The
priority for new drives should be incremented. Our file backup system is
in jeopardy.
Tape T24, the only other place this file (ROMAN.SAI[1,DEK]) was dumped was
even worse. After uncountable advance commands and multiple backspaces
and retries we managed to get the file off T29. Dozens of tries on T24
failed, and we finally gave up on that tape.
It looks to me as is our drives are quickly becoming write-only.
We already have simpler methods for that function.
The Datacomputer, despite the cretinous local program (DFTP) is somewhat
more reliable; the main hassle is DC inaccessability at times, not loss
of data that has been successfully backed up. DFTP is not a good program,
but unfortunately I do not have the time for writing the program that needs
to be written. Perhaps one of the hot LOTS kids who is itching for something
to do can be drafted to do this? -- mrc
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PDheader:1977-12-04 20:22:00-08:00 4dc677283f5359189c0dcf2ad7181be5 ∂04-Dec-77 2022 MRC
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PDheader:1977-12-13 05:51:00-08:00 cc0247a50238a62c02d8b2f62d8cf696 ∂13-Dec-77 0551 LES SAIL character set on Datamedia
To: PMF
It is probably too late to bring this up, but have you considered getting
the LLL Datamedias with a ROM containing the full SAIL character set
rather than IMSSS? I would like to modify the rest of our terminals
along that line.
HARD item# 0044 next prev
PDheader:1977-12-17 16:53:00-08:00 7ae659eb67096e1758cad47feeedb676 ∂17-Dec-77 1653 LES Noise on DM output
To: TED
CC: ME
While running on TTY-3 (497-2776), the "all white" symbol is printing frequently
(once every couple of minutes). I presume that this is caused by spurious
"0" characters being received. Seems to be nothing wrong with keyboard side
of link.
ME - The box character is 177, not 0. I have noticed it occasionally
both at home and here at the lab with a DM connected directly.
HARD item# 0045 next prev
PDheader:1977-12-17 17:51:00-08:00 1bce2ff607d2e5240a04f1b7e88aeac6 ∂17-Dec-77 1751 ME
To: LES, TED
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PDheader:1978-01-09 14:36:00-08:00 0b432b37fa4f7e16bff08ef921130319 ∂09-Jan-78 1436 FTP:Tucker at SUMEX-AIM TAPE RACKS
Date: 9 JAN 1978 1436-PST
From: Tucker at SUMEX-AIM
Subject: TAPE RACKS
To: LES at SU-AI
LES,
I just thought I should try to close the loop on the Mars Tape racks
in the basement. We have packed in boxes all the Mars Tapes and put
them in the Genetics storage area. Likewise the racks have been put
in the storage area. I had talked to Ted and he said that all of your
tapes are in Cannisters, not the hanging tape seals which these racks
require. He thus said he had no use for the racks.
You people are more than welcome to have the racks. From Hershey's
records they appear to have been purchased under the JPL contract with
the Genetics Dept. and thus must be properly turned over to you
(whatever that means).
I will attempt implement any plan you prefer. Of course E. Levinthal
has the final say at this end if it is Genetics stuff, but I am quite
sure that he would be glad to see you make use of them.
Bob Tucker
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PDheader:1978-02-26 18:39:00-08:00 a6ebd74ed39f9e9910cf81c0d3fd0986 ∂26-Feb-78 1839 DEK a thought re Dover
If Dover would be used to make CS reports, it would be necessary either to
have a collating attachment or to recompute each page each time. In either
case it is hard to say that the cost of the memory usage is negligible.
The Alto II that goes with Dover seems to have 4 extra hardware cards to
make something computed fast, I dunno what, but maybe we should think
twice before deciding not to have it. My main thought was that the
collating and binding part of printing costs is not negligible, and should
be considered when estimating how much money we'll "save".
HARD item# 0048 next prev
PDheader:1978-02-27 21:32:00-08:00 a5b41cbe6dcb126a7926c119bc829c34 ∂27-Feb-78 2132 DPB New DataMedia package available
To: BPM, TED, LES, JMC, JMB, SSO, JLH, EJM, BS, GIO
To: kanerva at SUMEX-AIM, rindfleisch at SUMEX-AIM
To: buchanan at SUMEX-AIM, wilcox at SUMEX-AIM
To: kahler at SUMEX-AIM
Martin Hardy of Product Associates in Redwood City has been working
on software for the new micro-processor based DataMedia terminal.
He is prepared to deliver the following package immediately (modulo
the normal 60-day DM lead time) :
DM 3025 CRT $1700
(less educational discount) -340
Keyboard (similar but not identical
to the SUMEX keyboard)
plus his program $ 200
Prentice 1200/150 modem $ 325
Installation of modem, switch, cable $ 75
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Total price (approximate) $1960
The software will make the 3025 look like our modified 2500A DMs both
to the user and to the host computer software. (I.e. Bold face, no
protection, no parity instead an EDIT key, etc.) These terminals will
run TVEDIT and E without change to host software.
The keyboard will be a modified version of the standard keyboard.
That is, in addition to the main key pad, there will be a top row of
special keys. We can specify what codes we want under those. Therefore,
what is now the special row to the left of the main pad on the SUMEX
kbd could be included in the upper row. The normal numeric pad will
be replaced with the same pad as is normally on the SUMEX keyboard, except
we will have a few more keys to "play with."
Some (Ted Panofsky at SAIL, Pentti Kanerva at IMSSS) have suggested that
in the long run we will want to design a new "smart" keyboard. Hardy is
interested in building what we want. In the short run, however, we will
order keyboards close to identical to the SUMEX keyboard.
This message is being sent to as many people as I know who are or might
be interested is this package. Please forward to any other interested
parties. -Denny Brown (DPB@SAIL)
HARD item# 0049 next prev
PDheader:1978-03-03 14:49:00-08:00 801312a76236923e509f7375cc2f536c ∂03-Mar-78 1449 FTP:Feigenbaum at SUMEX-AIM LISP timing experiments
Date: 3 Mar 1978 1443-PST
From: Feigenbaum at SUMEX-AIM
Subject: LISP timing experiments
To: jmc at SAIL, les at SAIL
Date: 3 Mar 1978 1422-PST
From: Rindfleisch
Subject: FYI - LISP TIMINGS
To: SWEER, LEDERBERG, FEIGENBAUM, BUCHANAN, SMITH
Mail from SRI-KL rcvd at 3-Mar-78 1025-PST
Date: 3 Mar 1978 1025-PST
From: Lynch at SRI-KL (Dan Lynch)
Subject: Lisp Benchmark Timing across many Machines
To: Hart, Sacerdoti, Raphael, Heathman, MMcM, Victor,
To: Ellis at ISIB, McKinley at ISIB, Rindfleisch at SUMEX-AIM,
To: Lynch
Recently I got timing information from DEC on the 2020. I had them run
the Lisp "benchmark" job that I have been running for years on various
machines. That prompted me to run the same test on as many machines
as possible (by type) to get comparison information. The table below
summarizes the simple throughput data that were collected. All tests
were run on unloaded machines. Notice the difference between 256K
and 512K of memory on the KA machine. There may appear to be some
anomalies in the peformance data on the 2020. I have no explanation.
It looks like the 2020 is at least as good as a KA.
Here is the data:
Lisp Benchmark Timing Data
KA KA 2020 KI KL-1090T
256K 512K 512K 512K 1024K
Function
Build (ms) 31.8 29.9 25.0 16.7 5.1
(ratio) (0.94) (1.00) (1.20) (1.79) (5.86)
HARD item# 0050 next prev
PDheader:1978-04-01 19:07:00-08:00 d85514edd9c610b504cb2ef25402d18d ∂01-Apr-78 1907 CBF at MIT-MC (Charles Frankston) Terminal Demonstration
Date: 1 APR 1978 2206-EST
From: CBF at MIT-MC (Charles Frankston)
Subject: Terminal Demonstration
There will be a demonstration of a Concept 100 display terminal Wednesday
5 April. Likely location for the demonstration is some office on the
8th floor of 545 Technology Square, although if the Multics people want,
it might move someplace else part of the day. The exact time is not
known yet, but I anticpate most of the day.
For those who don't know yet, the Concept 100 is a 24 by 80 line display
terminal, featureing all the usual features found in a VT52, HP2645, DM2500,
etc. plus support for windows and option for 1 level of overstrikeing.
A concievable MIT quantity 25 price for the unit would be $1261, or $1400
with the overstrike option. APL is also available, but you cannot have
both Ascii and APL overstriking capability. The quantity one non-educational
price is $1575 or $1750 non-overstriking.
Much more info is available from the ITS info subsystem, under the "Terminal
Support" node (>Term>Term>Term>Concept 100). If anyone who cannot get
to this information desires it, tell me and I will mail it to you.
Please feel free to forward this to anyone I didn't think of, especially
people who are not reachable via Arpanet mail.
HARD item# 0051 next prev
PDheader:1978-04-01 19:12:00-08:00 18048ad3c4e497540c8650774cd4811b ∂01-Apr-78 1912 BH Candidate for home terminal for SAIL?
To: LES, ME, TED, BPM
You might want to check out this message.
HARD item# 0052 next prev
PDheader:1978-04-07 02:09:00-08:00 b8d3aaefa717a06bef498b1a92fda921 ∂07-Apr-78 0209 ROZ
D7-Apr-78 0139 Mail account, UDS modem
Our DCA contract is terminating soon, we are making a big effort to
finish it. Please open for John Newkirk, one of our new RA's, an account.
I suggest NUK as programmer name.
Could you advise the secretaries so that Larry Stewart (LY) and John Newkirk
(NUK) could get keys for the front door, thanks.
We have a 300bd UDS modem for sale, are you/AI interested? Its new, never used!
One split speed UDS modem (also automatic answer) might be available.
We are in the process of modifying Hazeltine terminals, to look like
AI type DM's, Ralph Gorin gave us one to modify already. Are you interested?
Stanford pays $860.- for Hazeltines. We are also developing a cheap (comercial
LSI chip set based) modem for 300bd and hopefully split speed.
The DCA DM's are required back soon. The two UDS modems mentioned above could
replace the two DCA UDS modems.
I already talked to Jeff Rubin about the DM.
I also suggested then to him to get UNIX for the 11/45,
its cheap ($125) and we are very pleased with it.
-andy
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Thank you for your efforts.
Martin Morf % ROZ
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From: Glenn Adams <glenn@ll-xn.ARPA>
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To: david@COLUMBIA-20.ARPA
Subject: Re: Tightly-coupled multiprocessor UNIX
Cc: ted@COLUMBIA-20.ARPA, unix-wizards@BRL-TGR.ARPA
Dave,
I would call your attention to the recently released Balance 8000
system from Sequent Computer Systems, Inc., Portland, OR. They have taken
the 4.2BSD system and modified it extensively to operate in a tightly
coupled environment using a processor pool architecture. Their system uses
the 32XXX series of CPUs from National Semiconductor with the FPU and MMU
from that same series. In addition, they add an 8-KByte, 2-way, set
associative cache and a high speed 8 Kbyte local memory used for read-only
kernel data. Two autonomous CPUs are packaged per board with up to twelve
supported in the system. A custom VLSI chip, the System Link and Interrupt
Control (SLIC), handles interrupt handling contention and implements mutual
exclusion semaphores.
A distributed arbitration, 40 Mbyte/sec, synchronous bus (an enhanced VAX SBI?),
handles communication between processors, memory, a multibus adapter, and a
SCSI Bus Adaptor/Ethernet Module. A separate synchronous serial bus ties each
SLIC together, each unit on the main bus possessing a SLIC.
Software-wise, you get a 4.2BSD system with its Virtual Memory system completely
replaced with one of Sequent's design. A new model was employed in its design
that results in processes paging against themselves, rather that against the
system at large, etc.
Their performance figures show near linear performance up to the full complement
of twelve processors over a variety of benchmarks. They are currently shipping
with 10Mhz 32016's (half a VAX750), but soon hope to be using the 32032 as soon
as they can get reliable, i.e., full temperature range, chips from National.
With the latter, the system is fully worth a dozen VAX750s.
If some of the above sounds VAXEN like, or an improvement thereof, it is
probably due to their V/P of engineering, Dave Rogers, who was on the VAX780
architecture team at DEC.
Personally, I am going to watch this company carefully. I think they have a
handle on a good architecture and have did all the leg work to produce a
working system. If there is anything lacking, it may be the limitations (!?!)
of the 4.2BSD network system in producing a viable networked file-system.
However, given that multiplexor files are still warm in the grave, I think
that a lot can be done with the generic network architecture in the 4.2BSD
implementation. This reflects little on Sequent's system and I urged Mr. Rogers
to continue in the same vein and add a good networked file-system on to the
Balance 8000.
For further information, see Electronics Design, September 6, 1984, pp. 153-168.
Glenn A. Adams
glenn@LL-XN.ARPA
MIT - Lincoln Laboratory
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PDheader:1978-05-15 06:49:00-07:00 45c58357b9b788828fbde1b9a1811486 ∂15-May-78 0649 FXB via AMES-TIP#14 terminals
What is the status of departmental terminal projects, if any? I guess
I would like to get involved and do something although it would likely
be something that didn't quite fit your view (as I have understood it
in the past). Are you thinking about this subject these days?
As you know, I have wanted bit map terminals but found your old
terminal too expensive; a centralized memory seems to be cheaper.
I have delayed the project in the AI Lab, at LOTS and in the
Department for two reasons. Mainly, the new 16 bit large address
microprocessors forthcoming from Intel and Zilog has made me
want a larger address, because squeezing all the fonts, etc. into
the 12K address space that remains in a PDP-11 after 16K is used
to address the bit map seems marginal. A larger address space
makes the size and shape of the bit map more flexible, and we can
contemplate a system that will grow to high resolution and even color
if we have enough address space. A secondary reason is that the
price of 16K RAMs hasn't declined as rapidly as was expected.
In short the project is delayed but not forgotten. Johnathan
King has been pursuing money, and he has different ideas. I
propose to argue for my ideas when money arrives or the technology
is ready - whichever is first.
It seems to me that agreement will be easier, when we are ready to
go financially, because some of the options will be clearer.
HARD item# 0054 next prev
PDheader:1978-05-15 09:33:00-07:00 88ed5f3180715787ef4a966c93e6880f ∂15-May-78 0933 JMC
To: FXB
CC: LES, JJK, feigenbaum at SUMEX-AIM
HARD item# 0055 next prev
PDheader:1978-06-01 09:47:00-07:00 bc8c4ff6dab8f92c20d55e90793a4781 ∂01-Jun-78 0947 JJK
To: MAIL2.SYS[CSD,JJK]:
1. I have not heard from many people about their planning ideas for the
file EQUIP[CSD,JJK], the subject of my last message. Please contact me if
you haven't already. Your ideas will be helpful to everyone on the list.
Thanks.
HARD item# 0056 next prev
PDheader:1978-06-14 06:10:00-07:00 f348ebab7a5e3b64fafa0562d0fa7b70 ∂14-Jun-78 0610 FB via AMES-TIP#66 VAX
To: MAIL2.SYS[CSD,JJK]:
I am going to visit Digital on the 26-28 of June to try to pursuade them
to donate a VAX to CSL for research purposes. I have a list of projects
that I want to pursue with such a machine that would seem to have
short and long term benefits to Digital. I am listing some of those
projects below and asking you to think of projects of your own that
might have some appeal to DEC. You might even write down a line or two
and we can perhaps discuss such ideas next week. My overall strategy
is to try to convince DEC that they can very nearly capture one of
the brightest and newest systems groups in the country for lots of
VAX work much like the 10 did years ago.
Synchronous Bus Study: The SEL 32, VAX 11/780, and all the four
medium scale 370 plug compatible CPU's are built on a high speed
synchronous bus. It is time we had a more scientific understanding
of that design space. Even IBM's new E series is rumored to be built
on a synchronous bus. A VAX 11/780 would provide one in depth example
for such a study as well as providing a vehicle for measurements of a llive
system using a particular design. (Long Term Benefit)
Pascal: The Pascal P compiler and our experience with three different
P code translators (370, Cray-1, S-1) should make it possible for us to
bring up a Pascal on the VAX and one which is quite respectable. In
fact, we should be able to beat Univ. of Washington and, with the P Code
optimizer that R. L. Sites is doing, we should be able to do a better
job than UW. (Short Term Benefit)
Optimizing Loader: The P code compiler and the P code optimizer make use
of a table of basic block execution counts to give the user an execution
count annotated listing and to give the optimizer the information it
needs to make the right decisions about code motion. A loader could
also use that information to construct load modules that minimized page
faults in instruction space. Such a loader would do a much better job
than all previously proposed and studied schemes. (Short Term Benefit)
Instruction set architecture: I would like to get a slightly modified
VAX that allowed complete replacement of the microcode much like the
11/40E that CMU devised and had DEC make. The machine has an 8K word
microcode address space, 4K of which is used. High speed 4K RAMS
are available now that would compete in board space and speed with the
ROMs in the current microcode so the engineering looks straightforward.
A softer machine structure would allow a number of studies ranging from
appropriate targets for optimizing compilers to appropriate targets
for operating system structures. It might also be possible to investigate
whether the machine definition can be changed in such a way as to make
a high speed implementation more feasible. (Long Term Benefit)
Knuth's Text Processing Software: Obvious.
Networks and Software Development Environment: The machine would need to
be connected to other machines and would presumably be quite useful for
microprocessor software development work. Barth and Hennessey?
Computer Aided Design: vanCleemput?
I see three possibilities:
1. Digital gives in and we win big.
2. Digital says "Why doesn't Stanford contribute x% and DEC will
contribute 100-x% (Where do we get x?)
3. Digital says "Why don't you take the prototype that was used for
VAX design and development work. This possibility is the one
that would be most difficult to deal with and decide about. I will
give more details next week.
In the meantime, if you think you can contribute, think of some flashy
things for me to tell them.
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PDheader:1978-06-14 21:04:00-07:00 8242771ed9585543388e1fb43b93e07c ∂14-Jun-78 2104 Mclure at SRI-KA (Stuart Cracraft) Datamedia
Date: 14 Jun 1978 2106-PDT
From: Mclure at SRI-KA (Stuart Cracraft)
Subject: Datamedia
To: bpm at SU-AI
I am looking to buy a personal Datamedia Elite 2500A like SRI, SAIL,
and SUMEX all have with the special keyboard. Can I buy one through
SAIL and perhaps get the educational discount (I am an undergraduate
at Stanford) along with the discount for large batch orders that
SAIL gets when ordering groups of DM's?
HARD item# 0058 next prev
PDheader:1978-06-15 09:08:00-07:00 1d60ebf6956368451f8b9b9df1e0eff0 ∂15-Jun-78 0908 BPM DM order parasite?
What sez ye?
HARD item# 0059 next prev
PDheader:1978-06-28 11:50:00-07:00 11e40d7bada40f34771ec713d8b15426 ∂28-Jun-78 1150 FB via SU-TIP#3 keyboards
How do I order an AI keyboard? I heard some rumor that Stanford was
switching to the MIT keyboard or vice versa to simplify life for
Microswitch. Do I get specifications with the keyboard (assuming I
can get one)? What is the lead time? If you could do it for me, I
can give you a Stanford account that could pay for it.
HARD item# 0060 next prev
PDheader:1978-06-28 12:17:00-07:00 f3a2216a2ddf25e30283ffe0e05db2b9 ∂28-Jun-78 1217 FB via SU-TIP#3 terminals
I had a thought for a box to go between a clutzy terminal such as a
Hazeltine and the line that would make it more usable with somethine
like E. It would be a box with a microcomputer and perhaps a modem
(1200) and topped with a keypad. I call it an E box. Does that
sound like a good, bad, or indifferent idea?
HARD item# 0061 next prev
PDheader:1978-06-28 16:13:00-07:00 58c1db3bfe29d99d09badd67954c4cac ∂28-Jun-78 1613 LES Keyboards & terminals
To: FB
We do not intend to switch to the MIT keyboard, and never did, because it
is a step backwards. Ted has been trying to get Microswitch to bid on an
improved keyboard, containing a microprocessor with either serial or
parallel output, but is having great difficulty getting their attention.
We may have to go someplace else.
You E box idea sounds like a good idea if the economics work out.
We can now buy a microprocessor-based Datamedia that does the same thing
and includes a 1200/150 modem for just under $2000.
HARD item# 0062 next prev
PDheader:1978-06-29 07:13:00-07:00 c6b29eb8987357ceefd26ae52c546383 ∂29-Jun-78 0713 FB via SU-TIP#1 keyboards
I take it that it is currently impossible to get a Stanford keyboard?
Is the MIT keyboard a step backward from a Datamedia keyboard?
You might try Cherry; I have been impressed with the quality of there
current line. Tektronix says it is more reliable than a microswitch
keyboard. The feel is not perfect but the keytops are lovely and can
be ordered with two piece keytop. The two piece keytop has an inner
part that attaches to the plunger and on outer shell that fits over
the inner part. The outer shell is transparent (non glare) and removes
so that any ledgend can be put on top of the inner piece. Is there
a pressing need for more keyboards at your place or is this just a low
level activity that may drag on for a long time?
HARD item# 0063 next prev
PDheader:1978-08-01 17:20:00-07:00 b355ff49b7a1f309d677afa170f7f3b8 ∂01-Aug-78 1720 MGF
To: DPY.DIS[1,MGF]:
Below are suggested requirements for the vision group image display
system. Items preceded by a * are optional and considered negotiable.
Comments, suggestions to @DPY.DIS[1,MGF]. File DPY.DOC[1,MGF] contains
this and more display information.
Requirements
Memory
- 512x512x8x3
- read and write operations; addressable from PDP-11
- X, Y register and increment mode
- expandable for more memory planes and larger display size (1024x1024)
- NPR (DMA) direct from disk over Unibus
TV input
- digitizer system
- TV input at 10MHz, 8 bits (direct to video memory)
- broadcast TV compatible mode (480 lines)
Overlays and graphics
- cursor
- ability to use overlay channels as intensity channels
- character generator
- writing into memory
- vector generator
* non-jaggies
* conics
Display capabilities
- display at standard TV rates (30 frames/second)
- broadcast TV compatible mode (480 lines)
- zoom (prefer interpolation)
- X, Y scroll (independent for 3 color channels)
Interfaces
- PDP-11/45 Unibus
* TI-990 (?)
Input devices
- (2)joysticks or (2) trackballs
- response rate to track ball (60 times per second or interrupt)
Outputs
- (2) color monitors
- lookup table for each D/A
- ability to use overlay channels as intensity channels
- flexible switch to select overlays
- switchable
- 512x512x8 stereo
- 512x512x8x3 color
- 256x512x8x3 color stereo
- 6 4-bit users
- 3 8-bit users
Options for larger system
- image array processor
- general purpose digital switch
- map any plane to any D/A
- interpolation zoom
- extra memory planes
HARD item# 0064 next prev
PDheader:1978-08-04 20:07:00-07:00 5f07adc527b322e46a71c4dc34d59468 ∂04-Aug-78 2007 TED
To: DPY.DIS[1,MGF]:
I have read the suggested requirements for the VISION GROUP IMAGE DISPLAY
SYSTEM. It all seems fine to me with the following two comments: 1) in order
to use the display for the drawing system a vector generating capability would
be nice. 2) I think maybe this is a little too glorious, but you can always
try.
HARD item# 0065 next prev
PDheader:1978-08-09 16:51:00-07:00 a77dbcc70b081b80e26c7e9a2d5533a0 ∂09-Aug-78 1651 BS Purchase of Disc File
Additional information, Les. One-half the cost should be charged to
2-FCZ161 (Knuth Unrestricted) and the other half to 1-FCZ00l (CS Operating
Account). Please call me if you have questions and please route the
requisition through here. I would like Ed Feigenbaum to countersign it.
Thanks.
Betty
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PDheader:1978-08-14 16:20:00-07:00 d25c557f3a931203c34360bdf506b1cd ∂14-Aug-78 1620 LES
To: HVA
HARD item# 0067 next prev
PDheader:1978-08-15 16:32:00-07:00 67df649f70a21c11a77104764b008b1b ∂15-Aug-78 1632 DPB modems
EAF may be able to acquire "unlimited numbers" of 1200/1200 terminal
end modems. NIH is apparently trying to unload a bunch. He thinks that
we could get 100 or so, for the asking. Interested? -Denny
HARD item# 0068 next prev
PDheader:1978-08-17 18:58:00-07:00 b3c8c0ee96224cf5f5267a2de9bcc118 ∂17-Aug-78 1858 RPG Terminal
If the DM3025's finally meet lab specs, I would be interested in
obtaining one. Perhaps we should get together sometime to discuss terms
before any are ordered. If, however, the old style DMs (2500) are ordered,
I would not be interested.
Thanks.
-rpg-
HARD item# 0069 next prev
PDheader:1978-08-23 13:00:00-07:00 474c9da962d65af3ab9325a416a7e9f5 ∂23-Aug-78 1300 TOB
planned to hold up payment on the device.+[Kw
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PDheader:1978-08-23 13:00:01-07:00 fbdf33b525d700c961c2de56403d5b1b ∂23-Aug-78 1300 TOB
To: DPY.DIS[1,MGF]:
Addresses and Phone numbers
Interpretation Systems Inc
6322 College Blvd
Overland Park, Ks, 66204
913-642-8700
Lexidata Corp
215 Middlesex Turnpike
Burlington, Mass, 01803
Matrox Electronic Systems Ltd,
P.O.Box 56
Ahuntsic Sta.
Montreal, Que, H3L 3N5
514-481-6838 [373]
Ginesco [415] 941-0240
W Joe Jones
2680 Bayshore Frontage Rd
Mountain View, Ca 94043
Ramtek [408] 735-8400
Mark Sayer
585 N Mary Ave
Sunnyvale, Ca 94086
[system 9400 available September or later]
Grinnell [408] 988-2100
[1pm Wednesday]
John Schlueter, Vice President
2986 Scott Blvd
Santa Clara, Ca 95050
De Anza Systems, Inc. [408] 988-2656
Chuck Masters (SRI contact)
Wayne Hepler
Charles Nordby
3446 De La Cruz Blvd
Santa Clara, Ca 95050
[SRI has system from them They also have TI 990 interface]
Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp. 792-5604
[Wednesday 3pm]
Taylor Wright
38024 Martha Avenue Suite C
Fremont CA 94356
[have reputable frame buffer]
Comtal Corp. [213] 793-2134
Dick Jones
169 N Halstead
Arcadia, Ca. 91107
Stanford Technology Corp 737-0200
Larry Dorie
Esmond C. Lyons, Jr.
650 N. Mary Ave
Sunnyvale, Ca
[systems at UC Davis(Ralph Algazi), NBS]
[article in recent Digital Design describing system for LANDSAT applications]
Rohde & Schwarz Sales Co [201] 575-0750
14 Gloria Lane
Fairfield, NJ 07006
HARD item# 0071 next prev
PDheader:1978-09-14 18:28:00-07:00 2b0892c344560a69de58623456b1e7d1 ∂14-Sep-78 1828 BH disk delivery
I talked to someone named Ken Jones at Ampex, who says that things are
not entirely settled about whose delivery is when, but for sure not before
Oct 15 and almost certainly not after Oct 31. He'll call me back when he
has more detailed info.
HARD item# 0072 next prev
PDheader:1978-12-12 10:54:00-08:00 26c60fab524639dbeb21e81d82ff1239 ∂12-Dec-78 1054 TED Varian interface
To: LES, DSB
The Varian interface book is inside the plotter. There is a copy of
the PDP-10 interface handbook in the rack on top of the KA-10 and
another in the bookshelf in "my" office. However, you will find it
a lot easier to connect to the TTL IOB Extension rack (assuming a
IOB connection) because it eliminates level conversion and device
selection. I will be glad to advise. It probably would be a good
idea to look at the file VARIAN[PLT,TED] before proceeding.
HARD item# 0073 next prev
PDheader:1979-01-05 16:28:00-08:00 9001f1e2ba8488b01054fe9699eff7cb ∂05-Jan-79 1628 TW
To: LES, HVA, TW
Les,
I just talked to Betty Scott who said that you were going to order
my Datamedia. I need a non-standard one which I have discussed
with Ron Bondurant at Product Associates. I want to use both
SAIL and MAXC systems. The wording he said to put on the P.O.
was:
Datamedia 3000/xerox with integral Prentice Modem, with exchange
blink-bright switch on front panel (as per conversation with Ron
Bondurant).
If there are any problems with this, I will be here
in Polya (7-2780) for a while this afternoon and for most of the
day on Monday. Thanks --t
HARD item# 0074 next prev
PDheader:1979-01-08 14:10:00-08:00 fdd1f50912eb81109f158c14359ce78b ∂08-Jan-79 1410 TW
To: LES, BS
From your short note, I assume you will go ahead and order it
right away as a separate order. If there is any more I need to
follow up on, let me know. --t
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PDheader:1979-01-26 19:35:00-08:00 646a18cdbe6152bf12b1ac8a6542e2ff ∂26-Jan-79 1935 PMF
For some reason the modems aren't supposed to arrive until Late Feb.
AUTO ANSWERMODEM 266210 4117409 2/28/79
KEYWORD: REQ.NO: P.O.:
REQN.DATA 11/6/78
DU DATA:2/28/79
BUYER: GRISWOLD EX 29287
COST: 550
HARD item# 0076 next prev
PDheader:1979-02-03 00:46:00-08:00 f833cdbdc6b02934cdb5f1d353e1b18d ∂03-Feb-79 0046 MITCHW at MIT-AI (MITCH WOLRICH) NEW S-100 BUSS MODEM
Date: 3 FEB 1979 0332-EST
From: MITCHW at MIT-AI (MITCH WOLRICH)
Subject: NEW S-100 BUSS MODEM
To: INFO-MICRO at MIT-MC, INFO-PCNET at MIT-MC
A NEW S-100 BUSS MODEM WILL BE ANNOUNCED IN AN UPCOMMING BYTE MAGAZINE
(MARCH 1979). THE MODEM IS BEING OFFERED BY POTOMAC MICRO-MAGIC INC.
DESIGNATED THE MM-103, HERE ARE SOME OF ITS NOTEWORTHY FEATURES:
ORIGINATE/AUTO-ANSWER, 61-600 BAUD (LOCAL), 61-300 BAUD (ANYWHERE),
FCC REGISTERED (REG # BJ686B-67773-MD-R), -50 DBM SENSITIVTY,
SOFTWARE CONTROLLED (ON EVERYTHING, AUTO-DIALING (PULSE), ANSWER,
BAUD RATE..) ASSEMBLED AND TESTED, ADVERTISED PRICE WILL BE $319.
IF YOU SEND IN A "RESERVATION CARD" PRIOR TO FEBRUARY 15TH, YOU CAN
GET THE MODEM AT THE PRE-ADVERTISED RATE OF $259.
PMMI HAS STATED THAT IT DOES NOT WANT MONEY UNTIL THE PRODUCT IS
AVAILABLE, BY SENDING IN A RESERVATION FORM, YOU ARE MERLY STATING
YOUR INTEREST IN OBTAINING A MODEM, YOU ARE NOT COMMITED (THEY
SAY FIRM ORDERS WILL BE ACCEPTED IN THE ORDER THE CARDS ARE RECEIVED.)
IF YOU CALL THEM AND TELL THEM YOU WANT ONE, I'M SURE THAT WOULD SUFFICE.
THERE ADDRESS IS:
POTOMAC MICRO-MAGIC, INC.
P.O. BOX 11149
ALEXANDRIA, VA 22312
(703) 750-3727
P.S. - I AM JUST PASSING THIS INFO ON, I MYSELF HAVE HAD NO DIRECT
EXPERIENCE WITH THIS MODEM, EXCEPTING THAT I HAVE ONE ON ORDER WHICH
WILL BE USED IN BOSTON CBBS, IN MID-MARCH IF YOU WANT TO TEST IT..
ALSO NOTE, THESE GUYS ARE THE SAME WHO DESIGNED THE IDS MODEM...
THEY SEEM QUITE COMPETENT.. ANOTHER SHORT NOTE, THEY SAY THEY
HAVE PROVISIONS FOR INTERFACING VOICE-RECORDER-ANNOUNCEMENT
EQUIPMENT AND HOOKING UP ALARAM AUTO DIALING EQUIPMENT AND
"POWERING" UP THE COMPUTER ON RING (YOU SHOULD
SEE MY ELECTRIC BILLS THESE LAST 2 MONTHS!)
I WILL BE GLAD TO RECIEVE COMMENTS ETC ON THIS MODEM IF ANYONE OUT
THERE HAS ONE YET... - MITCH
P.S.S. - THEY SAY THEY'LL ACCEPT RESERVATION FORMS UP TO FEBRUARY 15TH.
HARD item# 0077 next prev
PDheader:1979-02-06 11:47:00-08:00 7d17d175b2eb76044c533d2d9a0c90ac ∂06-Feb-79 1147 TOB
To: LES, HVA
Would you make out a purchase order to
Unimation, Inc
Shelter Rock Lane
Danbury, Conn,06810
203-744-1800
for two Unimation 600 six degree of freedom manipulators?
Charge to old NSF contract
HARD item# 0078 next prev
PDheader:1979-02-14 15:52:00-08:00 a3926aa39ef876ddab71654fcf1fcfe5 ∂14-Feb-79 1552 LES DM terminal
We are about to order the Datamedias finally (really!). The specs are
in my office, if you are interested. The unit cost is $2406 plus tax.
Please confirm that you wish Stanford to buy one on your behalf and at
your expense.
Ok, however, the only possible hangup could be the procedure if the
thing loses and needs fixing due to initial screwups (things such
as original defects). Is there some "warranty" period? In most
resonable answers to this question my answer is yes.
-rpg-
LES - Warranty is 90 days after delivery.
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PDheader:1979-02-14 16:06:00-08:00 47e867978b1e78c5127836c9b47a1a05 ∂14-Feb-79 1606 RPG
HARD item# 0080 next prev
PDheader:1979-02-14 16:09:00-08:00 580d0186cbb713fec73679c064386c11 ∂14-Feb-79 1609 LES
To: RPG
HARD item# 0081 next prev
PDheader:1979-02-14 21:27:00-08:00 af0b692a6f5dd67106713e8d06c0ed8a ∂14-Feb-79 2127 JMC ka system
To: ME
CC: LES
The musicians may get the KA as a separate system with one disk and
controller, Petit channel, tapes and possibly data disk but not the
switch and 256k memory. Is there a system that can readily be
resuscitated to run on such a configuration.
ME - I wouldn't say "readily". The code to run the Petit channel and the
code to make the system work on a KA are no longer around, though they
could be restored from DART tapes and worked into a useable state.
Running the DD without the video switch would also require a bit of
reworking of the display service, essentially back to what it was like
before the switch (with each monitor viewing a fixed DD channel). Out of
curriosity, when might this happen and which 256K of memory are you
thinking of? It certainly wouldn't be impossible to do; it might take a
month. This assumes the hardware still works (the channel).
HARD item# 0082 next prev
PDheader:1979-02-15 19:49:00-08:00 9ce1727270d4ab4054c9ad02751cb13a ∂15-Feb-79 1949 ME ARM-10M interleaing tests
To: LES
CC: ME
I ran the worst-case interleaving tests of the ARM-10M with
>the KL-10 caches off,
>the system code and data itself located in the ARM-10M memory,
>both disk channels running as fast as user programs could run them,
>a CPU-bound user program designed always to miss the cache,
>a user program running the DD as fast as possible,
>a user program displaying on a III.
Here are my conclusions.
The CPU-bound user program didn't seem to make much difference, nor
did the III usage.
With 2-way interleaving, the system works only if EITHER
(1) the system itself is in FAST core (e.g., the MG-10), OR
(2) the KL-10's caches are ON and the Data Disc is not doing much.
With no interleaving, the system works reasonably only if both
(1) and (2) above are the case.
The various modes of lossage are:
(a) SBUS errors detected by the KL-10, sometimes including NXMs
and/or parity errors (although no real memory parity errors exist),
(b) C1 PC different from expected halt address, and
(c) DD programs timing out because of slow response from memory.
Mode (b) probably means the C1 couldn't read its own program out or
the ARM before it was too late. I don't know exactly what is causing
mode (a), but probably it is from the DD interface becoming unhappy;
the C1 also may have caused that error, but I would suspect the DD.
Mode (c) is tolerable in the small quantities that were observed when
(a) and (b) were not occurring.
HARD item# 0083 next prev
PDheader:1979-02-17 03:59:00-08:00 bea308210d5b8d8d3bbbbeedacd00868 ∂17-Feb-79 0359 ME KA system
To: JMC
CC: LES
HARD item# 0084 next prev
PDheader:1979-02-20 09:03:00-08:00 1f7d79deb16a38ed226e8cb59edba6e5 ∂20-Feb-79 0903 Feigenbaum at SUMEX-AIM musicians/mj hall space
Date: 20 Feb 1979 0859-PST
From: Feigenbaum at SUMEX-AIM
Subject: musicians/mj hall space
To: jmc at SAIL
cc: les at SAIL
John,
I am eager to take the next step. I owe John Chowning a response to
the long shopping list of equipment he said he needed. Our response was
to be given in terms of a KA-10 system configuration, but you and Les were going
to think that one through and send something to me. I would appreciate
closure on that.
We are pursuing the other manufacturers, such as Synapse, Sierra,
and Sequent.
-rpg-
Ed
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PDheader:1979-02-20 16:09:00-08:00 4a3393ea5e0d1482e062fc6c03b87a5c ∂20-Feb-79 1609 JMG
To: LES, MUZ, JMG, KS, TVR, LCS
CCRMA needs for independence from SAIL:
Hardware
KA10 & BBN pager & 512K memory (Suppes+Ampex+256k) $100k + 4 mo.
PDP6 & 128K memory (old Ampex + old DEC) 10 (cables)
Versatek or equivalent $10 + 2 mo.
3 3330 dsk drives + 2 @ $14k 28 + 3 mo.
& 6 packs in addition to ones we have now 6 @ 600 3.6
Displays: 8 vector, 8 raster/graphic (dd equivalent) 96 (Imlac)
& 8 tty scanner lines 19.2 (DMs)
4 1200/150 modems (800 + 4 x 250) 1.8 (UDS)
TTY scanner 14 (DCA)
Disk channel, contoller 16 (Foonly)
Line printer 10 (Printronix)
9 track magtape drive 20
Fast connection to SAIL on campus 2 (Dialnet)
-----
Software $330.6
System (modified current SAIL system for KA10)
Paging software
HARD item# 0086 next prev
PDheader:1979-02-20 16:09:01-08:00 1dbc62b1a531f29ae2c7ee26598a088c ∂20-Feb-79 1609 JMG
To: LES, MUZ, JMG, KS, TVR, LCS
CCRMA needs for independence from SAIL:
Hardware
KA10 & BBN pager & 512K memory (Suppes+Ampex+256k) $100k + 4 mo.
PDP6 & 128K memory (old Ampex + old DEC) 10 (cables)
Versatek or equivalent $10 + 2 mo.
3 3330 dsk drives + 2 @ $14k 28 + 3 mo.
& 6 packs in addition to ones we have now 6 @ 600 3.6
Displays: 8 vector, 8 raster/graphic (dd equivalent) 96 (Imlac)
& 8 tty scanner lines 19.2 (DMs)
4 1200/150 modems (800 + 4 x 250) 1.8 (UDS)
TTY scanner 14 (DCA)
Disk channel, contoller 16 (Foonly)
Line printer 10 (Printronix)
9 track magtape drive 20
Fast connection to SAIL on campus 2 (Dialnet)
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Software $330.6
System (modified current SAIL system for KA10)
Paging software
Space
Current or equivalent
I think that they have run a 5 CPU system. The limit is 10. I'll
ask whether they have ever built a system with more than 5.
Maintenance
1 full time hardware
1 full time software
HARD item# 0087 next prev
PDheader:1979-02-20 16:53:00-08:00 cc47fc7998dc798236dfb785ebad5716 ∂20-Feb-79 1653 TVR Other considerations
To: KS, MUZ, LCS, JMG, LES
It should be noted that there is also the cost of machine conversion.
I have been careful not to use KL-10 instructions in my code, however i
do see them is lots of user programs. This is a conversion which must
be taken into consider, that is, that all SAIL programs will have to be
recompiled and many FAIL programs will also require modification. Most
libraries will have be at least partially reconstructed. This will be
especially painful where source maintanence. Perhaps it might not be a
bad idea to put a moratorium on KL-10 instruction usages within the Music
Group. Comments?
HARD item# 0088 next prev
PDheader:1979-02-20 16:53:01-08:00 13fdfc406c024fea71e54a0ca2e97328 ∂20-Feb-79 1653 TVR Other considerations
HARD item# 0089 next prev
PDheader:1979-02-20 16:53:02-08:00 54aafd360017d003bef4936ea73d26ad ∂20-Feb-79 1653 TVR Other considerations
To: KS, MUZ, LCS, JMG, LES
It should be noted that there is also the cost of machine conversion.
I have been careful not to use KL-10 instructions in my code, however i
do see them is lots of user programs. This is a conversion which must
be taken into consider, that is, that all SAIL programs will have to be
recompiled and many FAIL programs will also require modification. Most
libraries will have be at least partially reconstructed. This will be
especially painful where source maintanence. Perhaps it might not be a
bad idea to put a moratorium on KL-10 instruction usages within the Music
Group. Comments?
HARD item# 0090 next prev
PDheader:1979-02-20 22:42:00-08:00 28c559267a7329b0c1854c447550ea5a ∂20-Feb-79 2242 JMG CCRMA separation
JAM suggests the addition of 2 modems to the list. Basicly
JC and JAM support the separation, if indeed we are able
to obtain our needs.
HARD item# 0091 next prev
PDheader:1979-03-01 07:58:00-08:00 85e2a6856877422acd5d6a7c1e308c0e ∂01-Mar-79 0758 PHY Alphatye dimensions
34" wide 28" deep 48" high. You have to open it on at least one side.
In the same darkroom we will have Agfa developing unit, whose dimensions
LTP knows. Also a sink or something needed (LTP knows).
HARD item# 0092 next prev
PDheader:1979-03-02 15:53:00-08:00 209b3ab32d2bfe57e77d153fbd72bc35 ∂02-Mar-79 1553 LES
To: JMG
HARD item# 0093 next prev
PDheader:1979-03-06 16:57:00-08:00 47cda5baa2bae9cd8f7b094de6fd9bb7 ∂06-Mar-79 1657 LES Ethernet and friends
To: Feigenbaum at SUMEX-AIM
CC: JMC at SU-AI
The Xerox offer of a Dover, Ethernet, etc. looks quite attractive.
I note that nothing has been said about dates, though.
It appears that some new equipment that SAIL plans to acquire might best
be connected to the KL10 and each other through an Ethernet.
This includes the new computer donated by TI and an image display system
that Binford and Levinthal plan to buy. If we are going ahead with the
Xerox deal, it would seem advantageous to start with the Ethernet as soon
as possible.
HARD item# 0094 next prev
PDheader:1979-04-18 15:50:00-08:00 3353a667d2e730f61231df2774e8ef8f ∂18-Apr-79 1550 JMC conversation with Lowell Wood
To: LES, DCL
He returned my call. We can expect the Mark I sometime
next winter, but it won't be usable as a time-sharing machine.
The second Mark 2A is scheduled for NBS, and we will get one
of the following batch. Time-sharing is one-and-a-half to two
years away on his schedule. ARPA money could advance that, but
Lowell is skeptical as to whether Carlson has money to back up
his ideas. I told him that I thought the S-1 project should
pay a larger share of the operating expenses of the KL, and we
agreed to discuss it next week. We need cost information by
then.
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PDheader:1979-04-30 19:48:00-07:00 ef4334a7a367ec60a8d6ba2e685876bb ∂30-Apr-79 1948 Mark Crispin <Admin.MRC at SU-SCORE> [G.DACRUZ: DEC's LCG Strategy]
Date: 30 Apr 1979 1744-PDT
From: Mark Crispin <Admin.MRC at SU-SCORE>
Subject: [G.DACRUZ: DEC's LCG Strategy]
To: Les at SU-AI, ME at SU-AI, JBR at SU-AI, Geoff at SRI-KA, Moon at MIT-MC
I thought you might be interested...
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Date: 30 Apr 1979 1355-PDT
From: G.DACRUZ
Subject: DEC's LCG Strategy
To: Admin.JQJ, Admin.MRC
Cc: G.DACRUZ
From a DEC internal memo from Gordon Bell, et al, in case you haven't
heard about it (eat this message):
"Since there have been so many rumers (sic), discussions and
suggestions, pertaining to the large computer business in the last
few months, we felt it important to clarify our positions on this
activity.
"In regard to engineering, we are pleased to confirm that we are
working on the development of a highly competitive follow-on
product for the KL10. In addition, our engineering support for
existing systems will ensure their on-going competitiveness. This
will not only include hardware and software enhancements but also the
very important new maintainability features for the KL10.
[some blather about the commercial group]
"The technical group is strongly product and applications focussed
and wishes to maintain a pure LCG specialty for our high-end business.
We will gradually increase our cross-product training in future years
as the VAX family grows in both hardware and software capability.
All this marked "U R G E N T" and dated April 26.
What all this means, according to our sales rep, is that there will
be at least one more big 36-bit machine: not the Dolphin (which was
to be 2 tightly-coupled -20's fed by a throng of 2005's) -
they decided it wasn't cost effective - but something they won't
tell us about until next month.. In any case, the 36-bit architecture
won't die for a few more years yet. By the way, we're upgrading to
a 1 MW 2060 this summer; we took advantage of their quantity discount
on memory and ordered 1.75 MW (the balance to be put on some
unspecified machine at some future time). -Frank
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PDheader:1979-05-05 22:12:00-07:00 f38cab7047140fa7afbf5cba716b9f61 ∂05-May-79 2212 DD at MIT-AI (David Dyer)
Date: 6 MAY 1979 0106-EDT
From: DD at MIT-AI (David Dyer)
To: jmc at SU-AI
This message should be redirected to the systems programmer
responsible for your C-1 data chennel made by foonly inc.
We at III have the next iteration of the design for the C-1 channel.
Be warned that your channel will not work without
some hardware changes should you ever decide to use it to run magtapes.
It also will not run without some microcode changes if you ever connect
more than one controller of any kind to either channel.
To contact me, use DD@AI, which is my mail drop, or you can
call me at Triple-I.
HARD item# 0097 next prev
PDheader:1979-05-09 01:27:00-07:00 99ce5f524865688d960f9567f893e4ad ∂09-May-79 0127 JMC
HARD item# 0098 next prev
PDheader:1979-05-09 01:27:01-07:00 6287a26770cc1964e159dcb883e5f294 ∂09-May-79 0127 JMC C-1 channel
To: LES, ME
HARD item# 0099 next prev
PDheader:1979-05-23 13:17:00-07:00 5916f104c5e8c177b502be2a947d57c3 ∂23-May-79 1317 JMC Rosse memo
To: feigenbaum at SUMEX-AIM
CC: LES at SU-AI
I propose the following counter argument:
Initially the musicians were entirely free loaders.
There was no real justification for letting them on a
machine entirely paid for by the Defense Department, but
I, John McCarthy, felt that the arts should be treated
more generously than other scientific projects (who were
only admitted if they contributed to the goals of the
ARPA project) because of their difficulty in getting
support. Music turned out to be compute-intensive, and
the few musicians we admitted initially turned out to
have lots of friends and students. While they sometimes
were co-operative, they always pressed their luck and
have been the largest single user of the computer most
of the time. There were many complaints from other users,
but we kept hoping that the problem would go away, and
with improvements in our facilities, and then there arose
the willow-the-wisp of the expected Yamaha money.
When ARPA support diminished, it became necessary to look
for additional sources of support for the machine. Unfortunately,
we were not and aren't a cost center and could not charge
directly for machine use. Therefore, we asked other
projects using the machine to buy us hardware instead.
This has proved to be an unsatisfactory solution.
as the present situation shows. As I understand it, you
propose that the musicians owe nothing for their use
of the approximately $2,000,000 in hardware contributed
by ARPA and others.
Well I can't bring myself to continue with this memo to
Rosse but there is also the fact that we don't want their
damn disk packs and we wouldn't have needed the second
disk controller if we had kicked them off as it now turns
out we should.
See if you can make something of this, but if I talk to
Rosse I will start to shout.
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PDheader:1979-05-24 08:37:00-07:00 6894e21aa4fece2cbfc4e921ad06422b ∂24-May-79 0837 Feigenbaum at SUMEX-AIM Re: Rosse memo
Date: 24 May 1979 0836-PDT
From: Feigenbaum at SUMEX-AIM
Subject: Re: Rosse memo
To: JMC at SU-AI
cc: LES at SU-AI
In response to your message sent 23 May 1979 1639-PDT
From connecticut en route:
John, I have not seen the Rosse memo to which you refer, but your
line of reasoning is identical to mine. I will have to deal with
this when I return (to orrow). If he's trying to get more money
out of us, then I may reduce our offer from 25k to zero.
Ed
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PDheader:1979-06-21 10:59:00-07:00 e629f9426ffc6750e03acf93277c6ac6 ∂21-Jun-79 1059 AVB graphics
To: "@SUN.DIS[1,AVB]" at SU-AI
Sirs and Madams:
A raster-scan graphics system has been designed at Stanford that features:
- a monochrome display of 1024 by 800 points
- vector writing speeds of 1 pixel per microsecond
- raster manipulation at a rate of up to 16 pixels per microsecond
- a parts cost of less than $2,000.
Eventually, this graphic system will be integrated with a
Z-8000 host processor, an Ethernet connection, and optional file storage
to form a personal computer system for standalone or network use.
The entire system has been nick-named SUN (an acronym for
Stanford University Network, but also reflecting a nice property
of the West Coast).
A mailing list has been established for prospective users of the graphics
and the personal computer system. If you wish to manipulate this list,
send me a note or edit the file SUN.DIS[1,AVB] yourself.
The graphic system is described in detail in the files
G.TEX[1,AVB] or G.XGP[1,AVB], respectively. This document,
including some figures that cannot be printed on the XGP,
has already been distributed to some individuals.
See me in person for figures or hardcopies.
Comments are solicitated on all aspects of the system, including
functionality, definition, design, engineering, and presentation.
Specifically, I would like to collect input on the following:
- the nature of applications
- speed and resolution
- color versus monochrome
- the choice of video monitors
- green versus white phosphor
- interfaces at all levels
- to host-processors
- to the network
- the choice of the Intel Multibus as backplane standard.
The current state of the project is as follows.
The first monochrome frame buffer has been wirewrapped
(courtesy of Zilog Corporation) and should be working shortly.
The graphics processor has been designed, it is being readied for wire-wrapping.
The color frame buffer is not designed yet, and all
other parts of the system are in the state of definition.
The Motorola monitor was running with a test-pattern generator
for several months at SLAC.
The current schedule for milestones is as follows:
July 1: Monochrome frame buffer working with Motorola Monitor.
This will give us the first "real" picture of the
visual qualities of the Motorola Monitor.
The frame buffer will interface to a Z-80, thus
we will not be able yet to judge the speed of the graphics system.
Aug. 1: Graphics Processor working with the monochrome frame buffer.
This system will demonstrate the entire design,
including its performance.
Fall: Given that we are satisfied, we will then layout
printed-circuit boards for the graphics and produce
them in a small assembly line.
Initial users of the graphics system will be the VLSI and the TEX project.
Prospective users include the Music people, Robotics, Design Automation,
and maybe the entire department.
Please send me your comments or questions.
Sincerely Yours
- Andy Bechtolsheim -
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PDheader:1979-06-25 22:57:00-07:00 be1f3833ae36e4745bb435865756eb5a ∂25-Jun-79 2257 ME LLL drive fixed
To: LES, JBR, LCW, HWC, TM, ROB
Al Barrett of Ampex came out and replaced head 17 of the LLL drive, and
now it works. Unfortunately, we need to replace or fix the even head
preamp of the same drive, since the orginal one in that drive was swapped
into another drive a little while ago to keep the other drive going. So
the LLL drive isn't up yet, but it will be as soon as it has a good even
head preamp (Rob is taking care of that -- he may try to fix it, having
gotten some good clues from Al Barrett).
HARD item# 0103 next prev
PDheader:1979-07-18 12:43:00-07:00 94560caf0baf5b4fe763ec0f43fffba8 ∂18-Jul-79 1243 JLS
Tapes:
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KENNEDY:(Don Mandle, 324-4877)
Drive:
9300-3
125 in/seg, dual density
$6800
Formater:
1219-3
$2850
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$9650
AMPEX: (Tom McQuillan, (408)/(56) 733-2900)
Drive:
TME
75 in/seg, dual density
$7025 (with formater?)
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PDheader:1979-10-04 05:10:00-07:00 1031024ec7209f19638b7fb088a10167 ∂04-Oct-79 0510 RICK.RASHID at CMU-10A Ethernet
Date: 4 Oct 1979 0803-EDT
From: RICK.RASHID at CMU-10A
Subject: Ethernet
To: ROB at SU-AI
Robert Poor,
I am the CMU faculty member in charge of efforts to integrate the
Altos and Dover into our environment. Currently we are working on
connecting both our KL-10 and VAXen to the net. We alreay have
our 10 set up to transmit and receive on the Ether. The trick we
have used is to buy an 11/34, hook it up to the EtherNet, and then
connect the 11/34 to the 10 by means of a DA28F to DA28C linkup.
Software for the DA28C (the 10 side of the link) was written in
macro for CMU's version of TOPS-10 and should be appropriate for
any vanilla TOPS system. I dodn't know if SU-AI could incorporate
it into the Stanford version of TOPS, though. The 11 code is simple
and is written in BLISS-11. We are currently only accessing the net
via one 10 job and other jobs gain access via IPCF requests to the
controlling job. In addition, one of our graduate students is working
on a text file to press file conversion program and on a printing
spooler for the Dover.
Our VAXen are running version 7 of Unix. Work is just now starting
on linking them into the net. We are working with the Univ. of Rochester
on the VAX software.
If you need any more information, just send a message to Rashid@cmu-10a.
-Rick
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PDheader:1979-10-04 08:07:00-07:00 a78ec2e3aecedf7077b39572f6867c04 ∂04-Oct-79 0807 ROB Ethernet info
To: LES at SU-AI, ME at SU-AI, REG at SU-AI
HARD item# 0106 next prev
PDheader:1979-10-09 21:32:00-07:00 c722253beffc641a04ef516767654272 ∂09-Oct-79 2132 CSD.BOSACK at SU-SCORE Re: a question
The problems you describe all were fixed in some past rev of the KL. The
traps problem happens most often when an interrupt or another trap or
page fault happens before the trap in question. It can happen that one
of the trap conditions is just plain lost (dropping one on the ground
once in a while can look like one happening 'late' - the same condition
tends to reoccur). The ECO changes the way the trap flag stack is
popped - it now ors up from the bottom. IO page fail for no apparent good
reason was fixed (several disjoint bugs) in both the uCode and the PI
system.
In short, Yes, your problems are familiar and believed to be fixed. I think
the current KL rev is around 12, although I think rev 12 was just one of
my RH20 bugs being fixed.
I suggest you get the ECO sheets from DEC and we can go over which fix
goes with what bug. Maybe a wholesale upgrade to the current rev would
be easier, but with the greater downtime risk of a moby change.
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ME - Rob, can you get (or do we already have) the ECO sheets? (Maybe
you're already getting them?) Sounds like we should definitely get
some new Revs, although how many remains to be seen.
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PDheader:1979-10-09 23:08:00-07:00 60f49ec35ef4aaf94db395317b49a838 ∂09-Oct-79 2308 ME KL-10 hardware bugs and Revs
To: ROB, LES, RPG
HARD item# 0108 next prev
PDheader:1980-01-17 16:33:00-08:00 7381aac9b17bf5f8f9dc7490cae6c7e9 ∂17-Jan-80 1633 JMC Suppes offer for KA.
He offers $20,000 for KA and BBN mapper. The mapper ain't ours, but
I suppose he has enough Government support so that ARPA would let
him use it. I didn't accept his offer, and an opinion that the KA
is worth more is tenable. Perhaps we should hold out for the $25K
in commemoration of the divorce settlement.
Feigenbaum's money for displays is burning a hole in his pocket, so
I am now inclined to act sooner than June on displays. Who is the
relevant person to talk to at Grinnell and his co-ordinates, and
when and at what number is the best time to talk to Panofsky?
HARD item# 0109 next prev
PDheader:1980-01-17 16:40:00-08:00 e0af18ef193ea77723b092eafdfcc589 ∂17-Jan-80 1640 JMC
Would you talk to Suppes?
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Yes. And perhaps to American Used Computer Corp. But remember that we
need the KA until the Canon or some other XGP replacement is proven.
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PDheader:1980-01-20 14:00:00-08:00 ce634509026112d8de209b3238bb8ef2 ∂20-Jan-80 1400 Mark.Sherman at CMU-10A Datacomputer going away
Date: Sunday, 20 January 1980 1658-EST
From: Mark.Sherman at CMU-10A
Subject: Datacomputer going away
To: S1 @ SU-AI
Message-ID: <20Jan80 165858 MS40@CMU-10A>
As per the following notice, the Datacomputer facility at CCA is going
away. All those with files stored there should retrieve them in the
next couple of weeks and move them to mag tape (assuming you want to
still save them). While some people are making efforts to keep the
Datacomputer on net, I don't think they will succeed. The S1 root is
named, appropriately, "S1".
-Mark Sherman
Date: 20 JAN 1980 1124-EST
From: JZS at CCA (Joanne Z. Sattley)
Subject: Scheduled termination of Datacomputer Service
I have been requested by ARPA to distribute the enclosed message.
***** begin enclosure
To All Datacomputer Users:
The TBM-based Datacomputer has become too expensive to operate.
We are faced with a combination of increasing maintenance costs
and a funding deficit which was created when a major user community's
need for the service ended. The Ampex TBM hardware is obsolete,
and no compatible follow-on product is planned. Therefore, with
much regret, we have decided that Datacomputer service on the ARPANET
must be terminated.
We want to make the transition off the Datacomputer as painless
as possible for existing users. On the other hand, we want
to phase out the service as quickly as possible to avoid
needless expense.
Our plan is to stop accepting any additional files for storage,
effective immediately. The Datacomputer will continue to operate
for retrieval only during the transition period. We would like
users to retrieve their private files by March 15, 1980. DFTP
public files will be saved automatically by the CCA staff.
We apologize for any problems which this decision causes you.
If there is something specific we can do to ease the transition,
we will do our best to help. Send a message to JZS@CCA if you
have questions or need assistance.
Bill Carlson
Program Manager
DARPA/IPTO
***** end enclosure
It has been a genuine pleasure working with all of you.
For the Datacomputer Staff,
-- Joanne
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PDheader:1980-01-21 02:05:00-08:00 887ff773144b1726231d3c68c0ec2545 ∂21-Jan-80 0205 ME via SU-TIP magtape drives
This is to inform you that, for the time being, there are no Dart backup
dumps being done because the magtape drives don't work. Drive A has
intermittent problems at the end of the tape, and can almost be used,
except that it requires a large amount of human intervention to get around
these end-of-tape problems. Drive B, which has recently been suspected of
needing alignment, has just dropped dead, with a troubled tape of the last
dump very near the end of the tape, with the drive refusing to move the
tape in any mode. Rob having just gone on vacation, there is no one to
fix the drives at all. Perhaps you will figure out what to do. I might
suggest hiring Ted to look at the drives, if he is available. Rob seemed
to think there was no need for aligning drive B, but it seems to need
something, probably alignment. Perhaps a decent burial. I'm sick of
worrying about useless hardware when I have enormous amounts of software
to work on.
HARD item# 0112 next prev
PDheader:1980-01-25 17:21:00-08:00 f254c2c002c34805be188285b85c4574 ∂25-Jan-80 1721 REG Status of tapes, updated
To: ROY
CC: LES, REG
The data control now works.
Tape unit A reads and writes tapes.
Tape unit B reads and writes tapes.
Tape unit B can read the tapes written by unit A.
Tape unit A can NOT read the tapes written by unit B.
HARD item# 0113 next prev
PDheader:1980-03-22 08:13:00-08:00 23772ed97a9a37a45918ccf29affd223 ∂22-Mar-80 0813 ADMIN.MO at SU-SCORE (Maurice Bizzarri) Possible tape drive source for SAIL....
Date: 22 Mar 1980 0808-PST
From: ADMIN.MO at SU-SCORE (Maurice Bizzarri)
Subject: Possible tape drive source for SAIL....
To: les at SU-AI, admin.gorin at SU-SCORE
If you are interested, I found out last night that DARCOM, which has
a KA-10 at SRI, is probably getting a 2040 or a 2060 to replace it.
They have these CALCOMP tape drives and disks they got less than a
year ago brand new, and they are IBM channel compatible (through an SA-10).
Gary McGreal at SRI doesnt know exactly what is going to happen to
the equipment, but if there is any interest in the tape drives he can
refer us to the correct people at DARCOM...
Mo
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PDheader:1980-03-29 16:20:00-08:00 85f20919abbc9e4dc49a26cd5f1693e8 ∂29-Mar-80 1620 LES SRI's tape drives
To: REG
I assume that the tape drives Mo mentioned come with a controller.
Indeed, they could be bought for SAIL. We would have to find some
unrestricted funds (e.g. JMC's) to buy them with, then repay the
money by the depreciation allocation from the cost center.
Have you considered the alternative of putting tape stations on the
Ethernet? As you know, that offers somewhat more flexibility, not
to mention the opportunity to start another engineering project.
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PDheader:1980-06-03 20:58:00-07:00 064986d511fb55c595e8e95416d2b83d ∂03-Jun-80 2058 LES Flakey TTY lines
To: ROY, ROB
I dialed in a few minutes ago via 0084 and got a seemingly solid line --
I didn't pay attention to the line number. After a few minutes work,
it suddenly disconnected. I called back again on 0084 and got 0085,
which was so flakey that it was unusable. Nevertheless, I was able to
determine that my former job was sitting there detached.
I hung up and dialed 0086, which answered but wouldn't synchronize.
Tried again on 0088 and got an extremely weak tone that wouldn't work
at all. Finally, in desparation, I dialed 0081 and got 0083, which
is supposed to be flakey, but is far better than any of the other lines.
Perhaps my modem is developing strange tastes.
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PDheader:1980-06-28 00:26:00-07:00 caf4a0fbcbe256d70ef90fdb9a0d10d4 ∂28-Jun-80 0026 ADMIN.JKS at SU-SCORE Ethernet Interface
Date: 28 Jun 1980 0023-PDT
From: ADMIN.JKS at SU-SCORE
Subject: Ethernet Interface
To: [SU-SCORE]<SU-NET>SU-NET.DIS.3:
cc: Swinehart at PARC-MAXC, Boggs at PARC-MAXC
Andy and I have completed debugging of a prototype Ethernet interface.
This 30 chip TTL device essentially performs the function of a UART --
transforming Ethernet serial data into a 16-bit parallel port with
appropriate handshaking. To incorporate Ethernet into a particular machine
architecture it is now only necessary to build a controller from
the host machine bus to the 16-bit port, rather than to the Ethernet itself.
The low-level details of Ethernet communication are now less of a barrier
to new interface designs.
Our next step is to build a microprocessor based controller that provides
more standard interface architectures such as GPIB, 50Kb serial link, and
MultiBus.
Many of you are probably interested in adapting this design to fit your
particular interface requirements. We hope to see interfaces built for
the PDP-11 Unibus, IBM Series-1, and PDP-10 and -20 I/O bus.
In addition, Ethernet servers such as terminal concentrators (TIPs),
gateways, repeaters and printing servers should be built.
Full specifications will be available shortly -- send me a message if
you'd like a copy.
Estimated prices:
(1) lowest price development system: $250,000 to $300,000
(2) reasonable 2 processor system: $500,000 to $600,000
(3) additional CPU's (including 8 to 16 megabytes more memory each):
about $200,000
It seems that it is fairly high priced for just fiddling around with,
but I am not sure how the performance on a uniprocessor would stakc
up against other machines. I would assume the overall speed would be
twice a Symbolics 3600 or better.
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PDheader:1980-07-09 10:15:00-07:00 1788fd3a16b63471bc9a6c108fcbda86 ∂09-Jul-80 1015 LES Keyboard krock
To: REG at SU-AI, ME at SU-AI
CC: JMC at SU-AI, MO at SU-AI, ROY at SU-AI, ROB at SU-AI
I do not understand why you have permuted the numeric keys or why you did
so without public discussion.
The SAIL configaration is clearly superior to that of conventional
typewriters. The argument that it should be stadardized the older way to
simplify training overlooks the point that almost no one touch-types
numbers. This issue was carefully examined and resolved locally long ago
(correctly, I believe).
From your viewpoint, I would guess that all calculators have been improperly
designed in that they put "0" next to "1", contrary to standards established
by The Telephone Company.
If you believed that a change was needed for some reason, you should have
had the guts to discuss it openly, rather than undertaking a sneaky coup.
The only remarks about this that I heard came from ME, just after he
returned from that hotbed of conservatism, MIT. I am aware of no concrete
proposals or discussions of this issue.
I am disappointed both in what has been done and the manner of execution.
I recommend that you restore the keyboards to the prior configuration,
then make a proposal and defend it.
FCC is allegedly a two year old Dallas-based public corporation.
They have a multiprocessor system with a number of different internal busses
with transfer rates up to 48 megabytes/s and with uniform access times to memory.
Their product is aimed at realtime and scientific computing applications.
First delivery was December '84 and they allegedly have delivered about a
half-dozen systems, including one each to Purdue U. and NASA-Langley.
Their system currently uses 32032 processors. (They claim that no one else,
including Sequent, is delivering 32032-based systems yet.) They claim that
they will also support the 68020 and will demonstrate a mixed system (32032 &
and 68020) this summer.
They have three operating systems: Unix System V, MMOS, and Interim. We didn't
discuss that latter two much. They also have "concurrent" versions of C and
Fortran, effected by adding preprocessors to standard compilers. They expect
to have a concurrent ADA later this year.
Caron said that of the machines we are considering so far, they were most
like the Encore. I requested literature. They stand ready to tell us more.
One of the founders will be in this area next month and could be programmed
to visit.
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PDheader:1984-10-22 09:19:00-07:00 6a2a9d029e449be3b7ea51c6dd615627 ∂22-Oct-84 0919 FEIGENBAUM@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA [Bruce Delagi <DELAGI@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>: [Andy Freeman <FREEMAN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>: [Glenn Adams <glenn@ll-xn.ARPA>: Re:
Received: from SUMEX-AIM.ARPA by SU-AI.ARPA with TCP; 22 Oct 84 09:19:02 PDT
Date: Mon 22 Oct 84 09:22:19-PDT
From: Edward Feigenbaum <FEIGENBAUM@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: [Bruce Delagi <DELAGI@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>: [Andy Freeman <FREEMAN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>: [Glenn Adams <glenn@ll-xn.ARPA>: Re: Tightly-coupled multiprocessor UNIX]]]
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
Mail-From: DELAGI created at 20-Oct-84 07:36:24
Date: Sat 20 Oct 84 07:36:24-PDT
From: Bruce Delagi <DELAGI@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: [Andy Freeman <FREEMAN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>: [Glenn Adams <glenn@ll-xn.ARPA>: Re: Tightly-coupled multiprocessor UNIX]]
To: nii@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, brown@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, feigenbaum@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA,
davies@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, andy@SU-SCORE.ARPA, rpg@SU-AI.ARPA
Based on my work experience with Dave Rogers and Dave Schanin (the guy I
imagine who is responsible for the ideas in Encore's machine) the Sequent
machine seems worth knowing more about. (I mean no derogation of Schanin:
it's just that Rogers -- at least when I knew them both -- was the deeper
technically, ranged over a broader set of design issues, and had better
human interaction skills. If these qualities showed up in the design of
the Sequent, it's a machine we should understand better)......./bruce
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Date: Wed 17 Oct 84 14:57:50-PDT
From: Andy Freeman <FREEMAN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: [Glenn Adams <glenn@ll-xn.ARPA>: Re: Tightly-coupled multiprocessor UNIX]
To: delagi@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA
Slosh (ms) 123.2 112.9 99.7 69.0 21.7
(ratio) (0.92) (1.00) (1.13) (1.64) (5.20)
Properly programmed, this may be a decent multi-processor simulator.
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PDheader:1984-10-29 13:48:00-08:00 714feb335bcfcf68c2e36d7fa8515835 ∂29-Oct-84 1348 RPG Subcontracts
There was some discussion among the ARPA folks and me about Stanford
subcontracting the Common Lisp work at Stanford to Lucid. This would
involve the blue pages work and the yellow pages work. I think we're in
a pretty good position to take that on. How shall we proceed?
We have been looking at the various pieces of multiprocessor hardware, and
we've pretty-much decided that the way to do the HEP is with a byte-code
compiler and interpreter. That is, we will compile Lisp down to some
abstract machine code, and we will hand-code an interpreter for that
language in HEP assembly language (or PASCAL). The interpreter will
run in the program memory. Unless we do this, it will take a very long
time to get a Lisp running.
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PDheader:1984-11-12 15:22:00-08:00 4a7bdd87f4fc15d6a580955cbc0136fd ∂12-Nov-84 1522 RPG Multiprocessors
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA, JJW@SU-AI.ARPA, cheriton@SU-PESCADERO.ARPA
CC: rpg-q@SU-AI.ARPA
The following companies are `in the running' as far as I'm concerned:
Denelcor
Synpase
Encore
Symbolics
BBN
Sequent
Let me discuss the pros and cons of each:
Denelcor:
We all looked at the HEP and have a pretty good idea of what it can do.
Pros:
1. Friendly and co-operative staff: they believe in what we're doing;
2. cute architecture; and
3. they are giving DARPA a `good deal.'
Cons:
1. The hardware implementation of the architecture make it very
difficult to do a cheap, fast Lisp, and
2. Lucid is less interested in doing it than some of the others,
because it is probably not a `typical' multiprocessor, such as
we might see in the next 10 years in common use.
Encore:
I talked at length to Gordon Bell, Ike Nasso, Steve Amarant, and Henry Weigart
from Encore in Massachusetts. I think that of the bunch-of-micros-on-a-bus
machines, Encore's has the highest potential in terms of being relatively high
performance and expandable in the near term to more processors than either of
Synpase or Sequent. This is because they have a 100 megabyte per second bus,
with separate address, data, interrupt, and parity paths.
There are 4 different board types in the machine: processor, memory, IO, and
Ethernet. I saw a physical example of each board on the workbench, with
logic analyzers hooked up to each. That is, they have gotten board back and
are now debugging them.
They use NS32032's, and appear to have them; they are running at 6 Mhz instead
of the nominal 10 mhz. The memories and bus support 32-bit addresses, and the
memories are 4-way interleaved
Each processor board has 2 cpu's and a shared cache between them. The
cache is 32kbytes. The memories support test-and-set. In the future each
board will have 4 processors, and National is going to a 2.5x faster chip
in a year or so. They have a software group that it porting Berkeley 4.2
to it. They have several functional emulators (made up of NS32016 boards)
on which they are doing software development.
They claim that the first 2-processor (1 cpu board) machine will be put together
this week, and having seen the state of the hardware as of last week, I think it
might be possible. In addition, they claim that they could get us a prototype
machine mext April-June.
In order to do a Lisp on that machine, Lucid would have to port our Sun Lisp to
the 32032. I think this could be done using a uni-processor between now and next
summer. With the uncertainties of the DARPA contract, the Encore time schedule
might not be a problem.
Pros:
1. 32032 is a nice machine;
2. fast bus makes for future expansion;
3. Bell has a strong interest in the project and has been
associated with multiprocessors for many years;
4. demand paging;
5. Unix; and
6. Lucid would want to do it.
Cons:
1. the Encore schedule could slip; and
2. Encore may collapse, though I don't see this right away.
Synapse:
I agree with everything that Cheriton said, except for one. That is, I
think that Synapse is a little closer to the brink than he thinks. Synapse
shipped machines too early a while back, and the investors have slapped their
wrists. They may be on a prove-yourself-or-die cycle.
I want to emphasize that Synapse will have *no* interest in helping us
at all unless we convince them that there is a market they could attack
with a parallel Lisp. Otherwise, I think, they will proceed in the database
area until their investors are happy.
Pros:
1. 68000 Lisp is a simple port of Lucid's Sun Lisp;
2. basically a good architecture;
3. they will accept a purchase order today;
4. reliable hardware;
5. nearby; and
6. Lucid would want to do it.
Cons:
1. They will not help us in any way unless we change their
marketting strategy to include AI;
2. operating system is not something Lucid wants to do; and
3. perhaps they're not long for this world also.
BBN:
BBN appears to be about to get strategic computing money to put a Common Lisp
on the Butterfly along with a multiprocessing version of it. Poor lads, they
thought I (rpg) was going to do the Common Lisp for them for free. I talked to
a panic-stricken Don Allen last week, and he strongly suggests we use the
Butterfly. He and Randy Rettberg, a manager, are willing to fly out to Stanford
for a show-and-tell. They hope that we select the Butterfly and get DARPA to pay
for Lucid to put Common Lisp and the low-level primitives for Qlambda on the
Butterfly. They would then take the Lisp and the primitives and do something
different from Qlambda for DARPA.
It sounds like there are a few things wrong with their suggestion: 1), they are
suggesting that DARPA pay twice for some of the work, namely the multiprocessing
primitives, and 2), I think DARPA is more nearly sold on Qlambda than it would
be on a parallel Lisp to be specified later.
Nevertheless, the Butterfly is a 68000-based machine and it exists.
Pros:
1. 68000-based machine;
2. Sun Lisp easy to port;
3. butterfly switch is not so bad;
4. machine exists;
5. BBN *wants* to co-operate; and
6. Lucid is not against doing this.
Cons:
1. Unknown operating system; and
2. the switching network may need to be micro-coded to
handle a synchronization primitive.
Let me elaborate on this last point. Each cpu board has a micro-codable
memory-watcher. This memory-watcher implements the butterfly network, and there
is more control store in which to do other things. For example, references to
certain memory locations can be interpreted as other sorts of instructions
by this watcher. I'm not sure how much programming of it must be done.
Symbolics:
I talked to them about multi-processors, and I was surprised when they said that
they had proposed a multi-processor to Arvind, which would be a memory-bus or
multi-ported memory scheme. Another possibility would be a gigabyte serial
port amongst some 3600's. Symbolics volunteered to send out someone to Stanford
to chat about it.
Pros:
1. The 3600 already has a Lisp.
Cons:
1. I'm not at all sure whether they could deliver this in a
reasonable length of time.
Sequent:
They are left to look at. They have delivered, and use 32032's. Gordon Bell
says that except for a slower bus, they are similar to the Encore machine.
Tomorrow I am starting my sequence of inquiries which ought to land us some
information soon.
-rpg-
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PDheader:1984-12-05 13:47:00-08:00 686f1ebaa84ae02dd8f5ef703dbcee05 ∂05-Dec-84 1347 imagen!les@su-shasta.arpa HEP
Thanks,
Stuart Cracraft
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PDheader:1984-12-30 18:35:00-08:00 a54e33ca25e65a3b2eb15f440113d819 ∂30-Dec-84 1835 fateman%ucbdali@Berkeley info on Elxsi multiprocessors..
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To: clt@su-ai
Subject: info on Elxsi multiprocessors..
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Maintenance
1 full time hardware
1 full time software
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PDheader:1985-01-02 16:08:00-08:00 9eae71c6a674384d130f8f841cfe61df ∂02-Jan-85 1608 CLT info on Elxsi via fateman
To: RPG, les-here, JMC, JJW
Space
Current or equivalent
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PDheader:1985-02-04 21:16:00-08:00 7dc77957dfdc3206995049d1f01b6011 ∂04-Feb-85 2116 JJW Sequent
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA, LES@SU-AI.ARPA, RPG@SU-AI.ARPA, CLT@SU-AI.ARPA,
cheriton@SU-PESCADERO.ARPA
I don't think anyone has given a report of our trip to Sequent yet. They
are definitely a real company, and are producing and selling their machines.
The hardware is approximately the same as Synapse and Encore, but is
available (unlike Encore at present) and runs Unix (unlike Synapse, whose
operating system isn't as good), though Synapse has a more sophisticated
cache and both of the others have a faster memory bus. Sequent seems as
interested in our work as Encore, much more so than Synapse.
It's my understanding that we intend to propose buying two Sequent machines
to ARPA, since Synapse, being more expensive, might reduce the chance of
the proposal being accepted. We were given a revised price quote that is
about $290K for 12 processors and 16Mbytes, and $310K for 8 processors and
24Mbytes. (In each case this is the maximum amount of memory that can be
put on the machine.) The exact figures are on a sheet that I gave to
Rutie, and I asked her to make copies for JMC and LES.
Note that these prices include $65K for a Dynix source license. I got the
impression that they would actually rather not sell us the sources, since
they are trying to keep their multiprocessor improvements to Unix
confidential. If we could run without operating system changes, or if we
could get them to make any necessary changes before shipping it to us, we
would save a substantial amount. The only changes to the kernel that I
could think of were for IP/TCP (Stanford subnet routing). Jeff Mogul has
told me that we may be able to run without changes because of a feature in
our Ethernet gateways, and eventually there will be a subnet routing
standard that Sequent may be convinced into supporting. Our discussions
about implementing Qlambda did not uncover any necessary changes in the
operating system. Shared memory between processes is now available as a
system-wide resource (i.e. you could have one multiprocessor Lisp job
running at any time), and by September they will have a more flexible
version of shared segments so that several users can do it simultaneously.
When deciding how many processors and how much memory to get, keep in mind
that the virtual address space of any process is at most 16Mbytes (24 bits).
A single user running Qlambda might benefit more from 12 processors vs. 8
than from 24Mbytes vs. 16, since the extra memory couldn't be part of his
address space. (It would allow the entire user program as well as the
operating system to reside in memory. I forgot to ask how much memory
Dynix takes up.)
The prices don't include any terminals, nor an Ethernet transceiver. We
might want to buy only one terminal for an operator console, and use Telnet
as the primary means of access. (Similarly for the machine to be used at
Lucid, I assume.) I forget whether their quote was for a 1/4" cartridge
tape or a 1/2" tape, but we might want to change that as well. These are
all rather small items however.
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PDheader:1985-04-29 10:06:00-07:00 fad9db33878ef27bd7bb297e5a85f90d ∂29-Apr-85 1006 RA Ray Caron
Ray Caron from Flexible Computer Corp. called (415) 593 7044; referal from DARPA.
John
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PDheader:1985-04-29 10:11:00-07:00 0c171ae6786a4d214fb25cd90216f167 ∂29-Apr-85 1011 JMC
Please find out what he has to sell.
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PDheader:1985-04-29 11:06:00-07:00 6f52552cafc1f2885b4d5a738ab3f8fa ∂29-Apr-85 1106 LES FCC
To: JMC, RPG, CLT
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PDheader:1985-05-01 15:06:00-07:00 682d61d83d70d63b1868ade539f6ff58 ∂01-May-85 1506 JMC
To: CLT, RPG, LES
Motorola proposal to DARPA in my parallel machine file.
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PDheader:1985-05-30 13:35:00-07:00 a2bf5cd44d8a2d2fefb819c767b097a2 ∂30-May-85 1335 fateman%ucbdali@Berkeley Re: DARPA feedback on Qlisp
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From: fateman%ucbdali@Berkeley (Richard Fateman)
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To: LES@SU-AI.ARPA, RPG@SU-AI.ARPA, Fateman@Berkeley
Subject: Re: DARPA feedback on Qlisp
Cc: clt@su-ai, fateman%ucbdali@Berkeley
I suggest that the following company be among the prospective vendors:
Alliant Computer Systems Corp
42 Nagog Park
Acton, Mass 01720
(617) 263-9110
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PDheader:1985-06-07 15:50:00-07:00 480e180eb08cf2484b083055c713d85b ∂07-Jun-85 1550 TOB
Lisp machines
I am inquiring about your interest in sharing in a deal for Symbolics
Lisp machines. I have reserved three pairs of Lisp machines on a
deal that Tom Rindfleisch was originally arranging. The arrangements
are:
one used 3600, 8 Megabytes of memory, about 150 megabytes of disk
one new 3640, 8 megabytes of memory, about 150 megabytes of disk
machines are $90k per pair, $45k each.
If you are interested, please act fast. I can keep the option
open only for a week. Also, terms are payment on delivery. It is
assumed that they will go onto maintenance contract immediately.
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PDheader:1985-06-13 10:38:00-07:00 a341018db591415e92e7e86f2079aa22 ∂13-Jun-85 1038 RINDFLEISCH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Instructional Lisp Machines
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From: T. C. Rindfleisch <Rindfleisch@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: Instructional Lisp Machines
To: Nilsson@SU-SCORE.ARPA, Feigenbaum@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, Buchanan@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA,
Genesereth@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, JMC@SU-AI.ARPA, LES@SU-AI.ARPA, TOB@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: Rindfleisch@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, Bosack@SU-SCORE.ARPA, Yeager@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA
Friends, as most of you know, the KSL is about to make a large purchase of Lisp
workstations for research. As a fallout of negotiating with TI, Symbolics, and
Xerox, we have offers of very advantageous discounts for a quantity of machines
beyond what the KSL can buy (see below). Noting that the department has
already invested in 2060, (micro) VAX, Macintosh, and other hardware resources
for various non-AI parts of CSD, Nils is considering buying $100-200K worth of
workstations for AI instructional purposes. Nils wants to discuss this
possibility among the AI faculty as soon as possible. Can we meet for an hour
early next week? Nils is available afternoons after 1:30 on Monday through
Wednesday. Please let me know you schedule preferences.
Tom R.
SUMMARY OF CONFIDENTIAL PRICING:
VENDOR # MACHINES PRICE COMMENTS
TI 25 $22K/mach Package deal, 25 mach for $540K.
DARPA/ISI price $54K.
Symbolics 6 or 8 45K/mach Package deal, 6/8 mach for $270/360K.
DARPA/ISI price $69K
Xerox Variable 14-22K/mach Purchase quantity scalable. List price
on 6085 is $18-19K.
MACHINE CONFIGURATIONS:
TI Explorer with 8 MB memory, 2 x 140 MB disk, and Ethernet
Symbolics 50:50 mix of 3640's and 3600's with 8 MB memory, 169 MB disk, and
Ethernet. The 8 machine deal would also include one 450 MB
disk.
Xerox $14K machine = newly announced 6085 with 3.7 MB memory, 80 MB
disk, 8K control store, and Ethernet. Also, IBM PC-compatible
co-machine internally. (Xerox guarantees this machine will
perform as well as the current 1109 or will replace them with
the same number of 1109's).
$22K machine = 1109 with 3.5 MB memory, 80 MB disk, 12K control
store, and Ethernet.
PS: To date, TOB has expressed research interest in piggy backing on this buy
but JMC/LES have not. If this changes, I need to know by early next week. The
KSL will buy a mix of about $800K of this hardware.
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From: Tina Contreras <CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: message
To: Les@SU-AI.ARPA
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Rich Stam of Convex phoned, regarding a Shared Vector super on campus
funded partly by Dean Gibbons. Please call. 408 275-0844.
Tina
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PDheader:1985-12-06 13:52:00-08:00 f4e463f3f0f081bc3214f4b16eb07035 ∂06-Dec-85 1352 BOSACK@SU-SCORE.ARPA [sequent!dave@decwrl.DEC.COM (Dave Rodgers): Re: Path test]
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Subject: [sequent!dave@decwrl.DEC.COM (Dave Rodgers): Re: Path test]
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[Dave Rodgers is an old friend who is also Engineering VP for Sequent.]
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From: sequent!dave@decwrl.DEC.COM (Dave Rodgers)
To: BOSACK@SU-SCORE.ARPA
Subject: Re: Path test
I'll let you know when things happen. We assume you will have a 32032 or
32332 based version of your machine sometime soon. While the 32016s would
work for a proof-of-concept, the faster PEs would make the development
effort go faster.
We have been shipping 10 MHz 32032 based systems since June, 1985 but are
just now completing the upgrades of older 32016 based systems to 32032 (at
no charge). We are at work on a more powerful system.
Dave
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PDheader:1986-01-13 11:54:00-08:00 d4c108984b4b6b1266f2393b1d931953 ∂13-Jan-86 1154 JJW Machines for Qlisp
To: JMC, LES, CLT, RPG
People in Cheriton's group (Berc, Stumm) tell me that a multiprocessor
based on the Motorola 68020 would be much nicer than one based on the
National 32032. They're currently designing one called Nebula, but it
won't be available as a usable system for several years. They didn't
know whether any commercial 68020 systems currently exist.
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PDheader:1986-01-13 12:03:00-08:00 9f43ef83b892ca78a02db6c036a11e3c ∂13-Jan-86 1203 RPG Machines
To: JJW, JMC, LES, CLT
I would agree. You can cut 3-4 months off of Lucid's time to
implement Qlisp if we have a 68010 or 68020 based multi.
-rpg-
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PDheader:1986-01-14 10:49:00-08:00 4a488e2fbdf5beff5b2a75922620db49 ∂14-Jan-86 1049 RPG Alliant
To: LES, JJW, CLT, JMC
I met with the Alliant folks yestersday, and I think their machine
is possibly the best one to start with. It is somewhat expensive,
but I think we can get up and running on it very fast. Here is a brief
description:
It has up to 8 68020-like processors that can operate concurrently on
a shared address space. They are 68020-like in that they are made from
custom CMOS gate arrays and operate about twice 68020 speeds. In addition
they do vector operations and concurrency operations.
These guys share 2 caches (4 machines each). Each cache is 64kbytes,
and the cache to processor bandwidth is 376mbytes per second. The
caches talk to up to 64mbytes of real memory at a rate of
188mbytes per second.
The basic mode of operation is to do a CTART instruction which
grabs n processors and starts them all with a common instruction stream.
Then each stream can pick up tasks from a global queue. There is no
messing around with an operating system to do this.
They implement exactly the 68020 instruction set except for the 6 register
compare and set, which would have been the right instruction for having
concurrent processes do reference-count GC. The 68020 added that instruction
after Alliant was done negotiating with Motorola.
In addition, there are n 68012's (12 mhertz 68010's). These guy talk to
users and devices. The disk drives are Eagles.
The price is high, $270k to buy into the parallel version of the machine
(the FX8). That gets you 1 68012, 1 68020, 1 cache, and 8mbytes (?) of memory.
Then the prices are approximately:
49k per processor
40k for the second cache
40k per 8 mbytes of memory (!) This is high, but it's high-speed memory,
and does some test and set operations.
We could operate with a 4 processor machine for a while.
It runs berkeley 4.2 and will switch to berkeley 4.3.
We can get delivery in late spring, and they've talked to Squires about it.
The nice part is we can probably get the uniprocessor Lisp going in less than
a week on this thing, and it will probably run much faster than a 3600 in
uniprocessor mode.
Jack Test, who was the Alliant guy here yesterday, is willing to come back to
talk to us at the end of this month. His best days are Jan 27, 28, Feb 3, 4,
Jan 29, in decreasing order of ease. Let me know the date you'd like to get a
presentation from him.
-rpg-
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PDheader:1986-01-14 11:14:00-08:00 9c668c19a336a2df3d9d3cf47b0fa687 ∂14-Jan-86 1114 JMC re: Alliant
To: RPG, LES, JJW, CLT
[In reply to message from RPG rcvd 14-Jan-86 10:49-PT.]
Unless there is a strong reason to do otherwise, I still want to wait
until the contract at least clears DARPA.